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Matthias,

If your service is completely free it is appropriate
to offer it here. If you charge money, it is in very
bad taste to do what you're doing. I don't think I'm
the only one who's shocked by your behaviour. :)

Regards,
        Ole


On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 04:52:32 +0000
Matthias Merkel <matthias AT boltn-hosting.com> wrote:

> Our subcompany Clear Skies UG could do that.
> 
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017, 11:57 PM Christopher
> <weblionx AT gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Regarding ease of use, I would agree it's a bit of a
> > stumbling block for us. DNS is... weird and tricky, at
> > best. I think you raise a salient point about getting
> > ISPs and network administrators involved, as they
> > control DNS for a large number of users, but that does
> > not help with visibility.
> >
> > Still, there was at least one app out there (no idea if
> > it's still maintained, not something I've personally
> > kept up on) to automatically select the best DNS
> > servers and configure the OS to use them. I know there
> > was one for Windows and I think there may have been one
> > for Linux in the works? Someone else probably knows
> > better than I do. It may also be on the wiki. In the
> > past these sorts of efforts are usually hampered by
> > there not being any good OS APIs for configuring these
> > sorts of things, not to mention even being able to get
> > a list of DNS servers to start if DNS isn't already
> > working to at least some degree (and not blocked at
> > that). I'm curious as to the current state of these
> > efforts and if maybe it's something worth picking up
> > again.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 3:33 PM, kevin
> > <krattai AT gmail.com> wrote:  
> > > From a service provider and organizational
> > > perspective, it's certainly all about user adoption.
> > > From a user perspective, it's quite likely all about
> > > ease of use.
> > >
> > > I looked for an alternative because it is what I
> > > wanted for personal use as well as for my project.
> > > OpenNIC is easy enough for someone with a bit of tech
> > > savvy, but not necessarily for the average person.
> > >
> > > I'm sure that for your purposes, this is something
> > > you already understand, but I'm putting this out
> > > there as a reminder for everyone that just because
> > > it's built, doesn't mean people will flock to it.  My
> > > project integrates OpenNIC peering, so the user need
> > > do nothing.
> > >
> > > With that said, for your own use, it's easy enough
> > > and go for it.  If you are going to want to attract a
> > > large user base, then there has to be either very
> > > simple instructions for someone motivated enough to
> > > change their DNS settings in the computer, or there
> > > _should_ be some volunteer based support system in
> > > place which is user friendly, to support people to
> > > migrate and in a way that has appropriate cost
> > > benefit.
> > >
> > > I run two unique public DNS servers, so my customers
> > > use those, which gives access to OpenNIC domains.
> > > That means that I generally have to set those
> > > customers up myself, and it's only fair to offload
> > > the DNS to my servers, rather that overloading a peer
> > > on OpenNIC directly.
> > >
> > > I would say that from a grass roots perspective, the
> > > best results towards adoption would be to promote to
> > > network admins and secondary (W)ISPs.
> > >
> > > Otherwise, I'm sure that help with docs, docs, and
> > > more docs and then pointing people to the resources
> > > with appropriate valuation depending on market
> > > demographics will be the way to continue growth
> > > directly from the end user.
> > >
> > > Hope some of that helps or is informative.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2017-12-14 at 14:27 -0500, Alex Nuta wrote:  
> > >> Good to hear from you, Kevin.
> > >>
> > >> What I need most is to get up to speed and find out
> > >> what is needed most, and what I can contribute to
> > >> the project. Obviously it goes without saying that I
> > >> can run a few servers, as a volunteer. I also think
> > >> I can help get the word out to spur adoption,
> > >> especially now, as people are hearing more and more
> > >> about internet censorship, block lists and repeal of
> > >> Net Neutrality. The time is right to communicate on
> > >> this project.
> > >>
> > >> For example, I could add a Tier 1 or Tier 2 server
> > >> in the datacenter ( I lease from OVH situated in
> > >> Beauharnois, QC they have great connectivity.) , I
> > >> have a dedicated line with fixed IPs for my home
> > >> office, where I can put another server, although on
> > >> a more modest 60Mbps symmetric connection that drops
> > >> once or twice a year.
> > >>
> > >> I'm not sure what's needed most at this junction.
> > >> I appreciate any pointers on maximizing my
> > >> contribution.
> > >>
> > >> Alex Nuta
> > >> alex.nuta AT protonmail.com
> > >>
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> > >> Switzerland. Join for free and get highly secure
> > >> email.
> > >>
> > >>  
> > >> > -------- Original Message --------
> > >> > Subject: Re: [opennic-discuss] OpenNIC
> > >> > Local Time: December 14, 2017 2:17 PM
> > >> > UTC Time: December 14, 2017 7:17 PM
> > >> > From: krattai AT gmail.com
> > >> > To: discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org
> > >> >
> > >> > Greetz from another canuck, Alex.
> > >> >
> > >> > I've been actively using OpenNIC since jan 2015
> > >> > for similar reasons and
> > >> > via a similar path it seems.
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm not opposed to joining efforts as I've been
> > >> > working on a unique,
> > >> > p2p / distributed DNS for one of my projects, as
> > >> > well, using OpenNIC as
> > >> > a T2 for that.
> > >> >
> > >> > At this time, I recommend OpenNIC as certainly one
> > >> > of the best alternatives out there.  I just don't
> > >> > like all my eggs in one basket,
> > >> > especially if a project like this were to become
> > >> > just another rules and
> > >> > regulations heavy, restrictive org.
> > >> >
> > >> > Personally, I remain committed to finding or
> > >> > building a publicly valuable and easily usable
> > >> > open, user managed, peer oriented, self healing
> > >> > and perpetuating infrastructure.  I'm always
> > >> > interested in discussing further.
> > >> >
> > >> > Cheers,
> > >> >
> > >> > Kevin
> > >> >
> > >> > On Thu, 2017-12-14 at 10:29 -0500, Alex Nuta wrote:
> > >> > Greetings from Canada.
> > >> > I found this project because, before creating it
> > >> > myself, I wanted to
> > >> > see if someone had beat me to it. Well done.
> > >> > I decided to do this myself following the news
> > >> > that several top telecommunications corporations
> > >> > in Canada are planning to create a blocking list
> > >> > with no oversight or supervision controlled by
> > >> > three major players in the telecommunication and
> > >> > content production market.  They are currently
> > >> > lobbying government to discuss the matter in
> > >> > secret talks as part of international treaties.
> > >> > Yes, we've seen this before. Yes, they're at it
> > >> > again. I have no doubt that sooner or later, one
> > >> > of these initiatives will pass in the US or
> > >> > Canada, and soon. Ostensibly these measures are
> > >> > intended to curb copyright infringement, but
> > >> > behind it, it's fairly clear, is to create an
> > >> > uneven playing field in the content providing
> > >> > business heavily stacked in favour of the
> > >> > companies controlling the block list, and turn the
> > >> > Internet into Cable TV all over again. And, in my
> > >> > opinion, it won't stop there. The Quebec
> > >> > provincial government has already asked that all
> > >> > gambling sites be blocked province-wide, putting
> > >> > up a fence, in effect, since it has a local
> > >> > monopoly on gambling through its commercial
> > >> > Loto-Quebec venture, next will likely be alcohol
> > >> > sales, since the Quebec government assumed a
> > >> > monopoly on alcohol sales province-wide, and I can
> > >> > easily see governments labelling dissidents and
> > >> > other social activists with some kind of
> > >> > terminology which gets them on the block list to
> > >> > silence dissent. Together the top three
> > >> > corporations involved control 50% of the ISP
> > >> > market in Canada. In this context, OpenNIC becomes
> > >> > a potential solution, and I intend to publicize it
> > >> > to my social media audience (mainly nerds, systems
> > >> > administrators, networking specialists and social
> > >> > activists.) I would be interested in any available
> > >> > less technical information, infographics, or
> > >> > similar materials to educate the non-technical
> > >> > among the group to stimulate end-user adoption.
> > >> > I'll make my own if nothing like this is
> > >> > available. I will also set up a few servers ASAP,
> > >> > after reviewing the documentation, one located at
> > >> > my office, one in my home office and another in my
> > >> > data centre. Also, I work in marketing, and if I
> > >> > can lend assistance in that department to get the
> > >> > word out, please let me know. Thanks in advance.
> > >> > Alex Nuta alex.nuta AT protonmail.com Sent from
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