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[Brian Greer <viridiancube AT gmail.com>]

By the word’s very definition, malware is intended to cause harm. If it 
doesn’t cause harm, it isn’t malware. What pro-malware argument can be made?

Spamhaus provides lists that networks voluntarily use. Presumably everyone 
could have decided to be blacklisted and accept whatever consequences that 
entails. Freedom is not a one way street. 
  

> On Jun 27, 2019, at 22:05, Daniel Quintiliani <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> 
> I was using my own .bit domains frequently via OpenNIC, before I learned 
> the Namecoin way and I do it that way now (which is better anyway for many 
> reasons including security).
> 
> I raised a "who the hell is Spamhaus and why are they telling us what to 
> do" back when that happened, and voted against the optional blacklist. Fusl 
> (I think) told me who Spamhaus were and why they mattered to OpenNIC.
> 
> To me it's part of a greater problem - censorship from companies, 
> especially in the tech industry, who are more concerned with morality than 
> delivering a packet to its destination and a profit to their shareholders, 
> in this case the morality of malware, ransom, and spam rather than the 
> morality of political causes, politicians, and conspiracy theories.
> 
> Don't know if anyone missed this question, I asked during the vote, and 
> nobody answered me, the concerns with child pornography and malware that 
> were brought up, aren't we protected by safe harbor laws like CDA 230 and 
> the DMCA, and the equivalent of those in the EU and elsewhere?
> 
> --
> 
> -Dan Q
> 
> 
> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 14:49:45 -0600, Jeff Taylor <shdwdrgn AT sourpuss.net> 
> wrote:
> 
>> It's actually a little more complex than that.  From what I've been 
>> hearing it sounds like some members of Namecoin appreciated the service 
>> while others wanted to remain hidden.  There was also quite a bit of 
>> controversy here on Opennic over the subject.  Because of the anonymous 
>> nature of .bit domains with absolutely no connection to a real person, 
>> coupled with opennic's distribution making it easy to use those domains, 
>> there were a number of .bit domains being used to send malware and other 
>> questionable content to other people's computers.
>> 
>> This is where things got ugly...  We've had some long discussions, both 
>> here on the mailing list and on IRC chat.  Basically this centers around 
>> the idea that everyone wants opennic to freely resolve everything as 
>> intended without any modifications.  However because of the .bit domains 
>> being used to distribute malware they got picked up by Spamhaus and the 
>> mail servers attached to the same IPs as opennic DNS resolvers were then 
>> blacklisted.  We worked with Spamhaus to get a list of the domains they 
>> found problems with, and that's when our own blacklist came to be.  But 
>> this goes against the concept of opennic resolving domains without 
>> interference.  There was no argument that it should not be Spamhaus's 
>> place to police the internet, and their methods were essentially holding 
>> some of our servers 'hostage' in an effort to force us to bend to their 
>> will, but there was a lot of debate about whether or not we *should*.  
>> The only compromise we could come to was that the decision should be 
>> left up to the individual T2 operators, with a method of identifying 
>> which servers were making use of the blacklist data to modify their 
>> results.
>> 
>> And so here we are today.  What it came down to was that almost nobody 
>> in opennic is actually using .bit domains, so a vote was called to see 
>> if it was worth the effort to keep it around.
>> 
>> Hope that faithfully summarizes the history?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 06/27/2019 02:16 AM, 'smee wrote:
>>> I also read the list but have yet to contribute anything, and I didn't
>>> vote. This issue and how it came up opened my eyes to a few things. On
>>> the face of it, it seems obvious. They don't want opennic handling .bit
>>> domains and it seems to be of no benefit to opennic to continue doing
>>> so.
>>> Being not that well versed in the subject, I decided to watch the
>>> discussion and learn more, but from the discussion, those two facts
>>> don't seem to have changed.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, 2019-06-26 at 22:29 +0200, Al Beano wrote:
>>>> Like many others, I'm also alive and reading the mailing list but
>>>> didn't vote - mainly because I'm away from home and things were going
>>>> in my favour anyway :-)
>>>> 
>>>> Am 25. Juni 2019 17:48:17 MESZ, schrieb alejandro AT dnslibre.com.mx:
>>>>> Thanks for the update Jeff.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So only 15 people are active on opennic 😲
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>>>> De: discuss-request AT lists.opennicproject.org
>>>>> <discuss-request AT lists.opennicproject.org> En nombre de Jeff Taylor
>>>>> Enviado el: martes, 25 de junio de 2019 09:29 a. m.
>>>>> Para: OpenNIC discussion <discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org>
>>>>> Asunto: Re: [opennic-discuss] Vote to keep or drop peering with
>>>>> NameCoin
>>>>> 
>>>>> With a final vote of 13 to 2, the vote has ended in favor of
>>>>> dropping
>>>>> namecoin from opennic.  I will be updating the glue zone today to
>>>>> remove .bit, and updating the root zone to drop references to
>>>>> namecoin
>>>>> and emercoin.  Thanks to everyone who cast their vote.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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