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[spaesani AT mail.com]

Affording a tld at the cost of a T1 (my mistake earlier with T2) is attractive considering icann's  180.000 usd for the application alone  . Not to mention years waiting for application windows.

There are other solutions to name / IP resolution. People can use local DNS servers that pull off rootz and merge locally with their own merger rules.

I just registered dnsrootz.org for this purpose.

The issue invariably revolves around setting the DNS address itself on the client. Even to resolve to a local dns server it's a problem especially with android. Ive been looking at that on and off and I came across a potential solution. It's just a matter of a specialized program implementation and deployment. I have another tld lined up for that effort and am in the midst of registering it right now.

Opennic remains a large part of the inspiration for those efforts.
In spite of MB s grumbling I won't fail to mention it ;)

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Wednesday, 07 December 2016, 10:51PM -05:00 from <vv AT cgs.pw>:

Thanks spaesani,

Actually you're right, I forgot they have to operate
a t2 server. Nevertheless this has nothing to do with my
expenses nor being "a little angry".

I do however, have an issue with people who are always
trying to make something into being about making money.
Working for a living is fine, I have almost 6 decades
of understanding in that regard, so am no newcomer to
the ideas of how one might contribute to society and
get something for oneself in return. In fact this is
why I am questioning the concept of mixing money with
what I see as an altruistic project.

I keep seeing unrealistic dreaming about how someone
plans to compete with ICANN and a significant number of
people will magically decide that they're going to
take a break from Facebook and learn how to change their
DNS entries in their /etc/resolv.conf or however it's
done in their OS. I'll tell you right now. It's not
going to happen. There will be no significant
opportunity for commercialisation or monetisation
magically presenting itself in the OpenNIC ecosystem.

So, when people start talking about charging money
I just roll my eyes with a quiet "kids nowadays"
flashing in the back of my mind. But there is also
the thought that I wish they could understand the
difference between a community project and a business.

Regards,
        Ole Juul




On Thu, 08 Dec 2016 06:09:51 +0300
spaesani AT mail.com wrote:

> Ole they have to operate a t2 nameserver to request the
> tld . Further, to promote their tld , if its accepted,
> they have to work at opening up DNS access. All for free.
> I fail to see how this is free loading or taking without
> giving. I think instead you're a little angry at the
> expenses you and possibly other members have incurred in
> relation to what you seem to be suggesting is a lesser
> investment by tld operators. If that's the case I'd
> suggest you put forward a DNS rootz  operation costs
> assessment or estimation so we can get a good idea of
> what we're looking at. -- Sent from myMail app for
> Android Wednesday, 07 December 2016, 07:34PM -05:00 from
> < vv AT cgs.pw> :
>
> >
> >I would tend to agree with you. I'm not sure, however,
> >that the people who are proposing to charge for domains
> >are clear on the fact that they are completely
> >dependent on the hard work and expense offered by
> >others who are doing it for free. How do these people
> >feel about others collecting money based on their work?
> >In a sense, charging for domains is taking a gift that
> >has been freely given to you and then turning around
> >and selling it.
> >
> >I'm not saying there is anything wrong with this,
> >but rather just trying to put this discussion in
> >some perspective.
> >
> >To me everybody's work has value. But that one group
> >gets money and other groups don't would not sit well
> >with me.
> >
> >Regards,
> >        Ole
> >
> >On Wed, 7 Dec 2016 18:54:25 -0500
> >Maiyannah Bishop < maiyannah.bishop AT postactiv.com >
> >wrote:
> >
> >> This is the fundamental "problem" with paid services on
> >> OpenNIC - but it's not an unsolvable one, if someone
> >> wanted to come up with a fair compensation system. I'm
> >> indifferent when it comes to gratis versus paid - I'm
> >> okay with paid domains and I'm okay with free ones, in
> >> principle, though I think it would be very hard to
> >> actually monetize OpenNIC domains in the current
> >> ecosystem. But if we do have paid systems, nameserver
> >> operators whom wish compensated for the traffic on
> >> their servers, should be compensated. -mb
> >>
> >> On 2016-12-07 18:38, vv AT cgs.pw wrote:
> >> > How much of that fee goes to nameserver operators?
> >> >
> >> > ~ Ole
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, 07 Dec 2016 23:02:42 +0100
> >> > Hunter 9999 < mail AT hunter-9999.de > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I DO think OpenNIC should to be free and SHOULD
> >> >> mandate that on their domains. We tell on our
> >> >> website, that we are free, also free of cost
> >> >> (gratis) and for me this includes the registration
> >> >> of domain. As stated before by someone we should
> >> >> only require for paying for additional services.
> >> >
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