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["Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com>]

I think having debates over what counts as commercial use and what doesn't 
creates an unnecessary layer of complexity. If licensed attorneys at Creative 
Commons still can't come up with a straight answer for "non-commercial" (and 
there's a lawsuit going on right now) what makes you think we can?

--

-Dan Q


On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 20:17:54 +0000, Al Beano <albino AT autistici.org> wrote:

> We believe placing restrictions on commercial use leaves domains open to 
> those who would use them non-commercially and in doing so create a 
> better cyberpunk 'atmosphere' surrounding the TLD. There are many spaces 
> open for unlimited commercial use on the internet (and within OpenNIC) 
> but a TLD designated as being cyberpunk in nature would not benefit from 
> the activity they attract.
> 
> If you're referring to the fact that there is very little current 
> commercial activity on OpenNIC, that could change in the future and we 
> think it's worth setting out these policies now.
> 
> That said, creating a distinction between what commercial use is 
> allowed/disallowed is beginning to seem very difficult, and the 
> ambiguity involved may deter people from using the TLD. We're still open 
> to the idea of dropping the whole thing and allowing commercial use, and 
> would value further feedback.
> 
> On 2017-07-12 20:03, Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> > What's the point of allowing or disallowing commercial use?
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > -Dan Q
> > 
> > On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 19:38:20 +0000, Al Beano <albino AT autistici.org> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> That's a good point. I agree there comes a point where commercial use
> >> needs to be handled on a case-by-case basis, but I think the charter
> >> should also include examples to give an idea of what would/would not 
> >> be
> >> acceptable.
> >> 
> >> I stand by using amateur radio as an example, as it's something which 
> >> is
> >> of interest to most real life 'cyberpunks', but not to the general
> >> public. There will inevitably be some overlap betweeen .cyb and .geek
> >> because most cyberpunks/cyberpunk enthusiasts are also geeks, but the
> >> ethos and community surrounding the two TLDs will be very different.
> >> 
> >> The example of anime DVDs can be removed altogether.
> >> 
> >> albino
> >> 
> >> On 2017-07-12 19:25, Famicoman wrote:
> >> > I understand where you are coming from regarding commercial use of
> >> > sites, but the argument could be made that something like anime DVD
> >> > sales could be just as mainstream as pre-built computers. A computer
> >> > could be just as cyberpunk as an Akira DVD, but on the other hand a
> >> > random person off the street might really like Spirited Away or
> >> > something even if they don't know much about the genre.
> >> >
> >> > Maybe say commercial sites could be allowed for cyberpunk goods, under
> >> > the discretion of .cyb administrators on a case-by-case basis as
> >> > needed? Just blanketing anime or amateur radio could be general enough
> >> > for a .geek site.
> >> >
> >> > On Jul 12, 2017 2:58 PM, "Al Beano" <albino AT autistici.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hello,
> >> >>
> >> >> We would like to propose a new TLD (.cyb) for OpenNIC:
> >> >>
> >> >> .cyb TLD
> >> >>
> >> >> ===========
> >> >> + CHARTER +
> >> >> ===========
> >> >>
> >> >> Description
> >> >> - - - - - -
> >> >>
> >> >> .cyb is a space for all things cyberpunk, including the
> >> >> 'underground' use of technology in the real world. This includes
> >> >> cyberpunk fiction, computers, and any kind of homebrew/hobbyist
> >> >> technology.
> >> >>
> >> >> .cyb is no ordinary TLD. We strive to bring TLDs to a community
> >> >> level by automating the registration process, and providing services
> >> >> such as free DNS/mail/XMPP/web hosting to all holders of .cyb
> >> >> domains.
> >> >>
> >> >> We are also going to implement an opt-in mailing list which would
> >> >> permit notifications of domain registrations to be sent out to all
> >> >> those interested. This will, of course, be optional on both sides
> >> >> (opt-in to notify, opt-in to receive).
> >> >>
> >> >> Furthermore, we will provide a certificate authority and issue each
> >> >> domain owner with a corresponding certificate. Alternative names and
> >> >> wildcards can also be requested.
> >> >>
> >> >> Registration
> >> >> - - - - - -
> >> >>
> >> >> Registration of .cyb domains is free of charge. Any person can
> >> >> register as many .cyb domains as they wish, providing they have a
> >> >> legitimate use for them (as described within this charter).
> >> >>
> >> >> In general, usage should be non-commercial (although this
> >> >> requirement is mostly subjective and might require a vote from the
> >> >> membership). As a guide, .cyb domains used for commercial purposes
> >> >> should not aim to appeal to the general public. For example, a
> >> >> website selling amateur radio equipment or anime DVDs would be
> >> >> acceptable, but one selling pre-built computers would not.
> >> >>
> >> >> Registrations are offered on a first-come first-served basis, and
> >> >> last one year before they must be renewed.
> >> >>
> >> >> We aim to provide a web interface for managing and registering
> >> >> domains, however, early users of the TLD may register domains by
> >> >> email.
> >> >>
> >> >> Policies
> >> >> - - - -
> >> >>
> >> >> The following activities are prohibited, and will result in
> >> >> revocation of the offending domain(s):
> >> >> * Domain squatting
> >> >> * Distribution of child pornography
> >> >> * Distribution of spam/malware
> >> >> * Unauthorised access of other computer systems
> >> >>
> >> >> Domains will be revoked if the .cyb administration or membership
> >> >> deems them to be in violation of this policy. Please report any
> >> >> violating domains to the abuse email address (listed in the
> >> >> 'Contacts') section of this charter.
> >> >>
> >> >> Voting
> >> >> - - -
> >> >>
> >> >> Members (anyone who holds a .cyb domain and is a member of OpenNIC)
> >> >> are eligible to call for, and vote on, motions relating to the
> >> >> administration of the domain. Motions will be passed by a majority
> >> >> of votes.
> >> >>
> >> >> Contacts
> >> >> - - - -
> >> >>
> >> >> * DNS master - hostmaster AT opennic.cyb
> >> >> * Abuse -  abuse AT opennic.cyb
> >> >> * Webmaster - webmaster AT opennic.cyb
> >> >>
> >> >> * Pre-release contacts - albino AT autistici.org, sy AT zm.is
> >> >>
> >> >> ========================
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for reading this proposal, and we welcome any feedback and
> >> >> suggestions you might have.
> >> >>
> >> >> Al Beano <albino AT autistici.org>
> >> >> sy <sy AT zm.is>
> >> >>
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