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[Al Beano <albino AT autistici.org>]

Yeah, this seems very reasonable, so we can drop the section about commercial 
use from the charter completely. 

- albino 

On 13 July 2017 09:41:48 BST, Simon Castano <netherland-office AT liberland.org> 
wrote:
>Considering that one needs to change its DNS settings before accessing 
>OpenNIC domains, any commercial use will be for niche markets.
>As such, I consider that commercial may be allowed without restrictions
>
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>Simon
>
>On 2017-07-12 22:50, Al Beano wrote:
>> This is a good point -- The last thing I want to do is create
>> additional hurdles and uncertainties for someone wanting to register
>> and use a .cyb domain, so I think it might be sensible to get rid of
>> the commercial use clause.
>> 
>> On a side note, I noticed the .geek TLD charter has a similar
>> restriction on commercial use to the one we proposed for .cyb:
>> https://wiki.opennic.org/opennic:dot:geek
>> I'd be interested to hear the rationale for this.
>> 
>> albino
>> 
>> On 2017-07-12 20:39, Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
>>> I think having debates over what counts as commercial use and what
>>> doesn't creates an unnecessary layer of complexity. If licensed
>>> attorneys at Creative Commons still can't come up with a straight
>>> answer for "non-commercial" (and there's a lawsuit going on right
>now)
>>> what makes you think we can?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> -Dan Q
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 20:17:54 +0000, Al Beano <albino AT autistici.org> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> We believe placing restrictions on commercial use leaves domains
>open 
>>>> to
>>>> those who would use them non-commercially and in doing so create a
>>>> better cyberpunk 'atmosphere' surrounding the TLD. There are many 
>>>> spaces
>>>> open for unlimited commercial use on the internet (and within 
>>>> OpenNIC)
>>>> but a TLD designated as being cyberpunk in nature would not benefit
>
>>>> from
>>>> the activity they attract.
>>>> 
>>>> If you're referring to the fact that there is very little current
>>>> commercial activity on OpenNIC, that could change in the future and
>
>>>> we
>>>> think it's worth setting out these policies now.
>>>> 
>>>> That said, creating a distinction between what commercial use is
>>>> allowed/disallowed is beginning to seem very difficult, and the
>>>> ambiguity involved may deter people from using the TLD. We're still
>
>>>> open
>>>> to the idea of dropping the whole thing and allowing commercial
>use, 
>>>> and
>>>> would value further feedback.
>>>> 
>>>> On 2017-07-12 20:03, Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
>>>> > What's the point of allowing or disallowing commercial use?
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> >
>>>> > -Dan Q
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 19:38:20 +0000, Al Beano
><albino AT autistici.org>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> That's a good point. I agree there comes a point where
>commercial use
>>>> >> needs to be handled on a case-by-case basis, but I think the
>charter
>>>> >> should also include examples to give an idea of what would/would
>not
>>>> >> be
>>>> >> acceptable.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I stand by using amateur radio as an example, as it's something
>which
>>>> >> is
>>>> >> of interest to most real life 'cyberpunks', but not to the
>general
>>>> >> public. There will inevitably be some overlap betweeen .cyb and
>.geek
>>>> >> because most cyberpunks/cyberpunk enthusiasts are also geeks,
>but the
>>>> >> ethos and community surrounding the two TLDs will be very
>different.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The example of anime DVDs can be removed altogether.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> albino
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 2017-07-12 19:25, Famicoman wrote:
>>>> >> > I understand where you are coming from regarding commercial
>use of
>>>> >> > sites, but the argument could be made that something like
>anime DVD
>>>> >> > sales could be just as mainstream as pre-built computers. A
>computer
>>>> >> > could be just as cyberpunk as an Akira DVD, but on the other
>hand a
>>>> >> > random person off the street might really like Spirited Away
>or
>>>> >> > something even if they don't know much about the genre.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Maybe say commercial sites could be allowed for cyberpunk
>goods, under
>>>> >> > the discretion of .cyb administrators on a case-by-case basis
>as
>>>> >> > needed? Just blanketing anime or amateur radio could be
>general enough
>>>> >> > for a .geek site.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Jul 12, 2017 2:58 PM, "Al Beano" <albino AT autistici.org>
>wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> Hello,
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> We would like to propose a new TLD (.cyb) for OpenNIC:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> .cyb TLD
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> ===========
>>>> >> >> + CHARTER +
>>>> >> >> ===========
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Description
>>>> >> >> - - - - - -
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> .cyb is a space for all things cyberpunk, including the
>>>> >> >> 'underground' use of technology in the real world. This
>includes
>>>> >> >> cyberpunk fiction, computers, and any kind of
>homebrew/hobbyist
>>>> >> >> technology.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> .cyb is no ordinary TLD. We strive to bring TLDs to a
>community
>>>> >> >> level by automating the registration process, and providing
>services
>>>> >> >> such as free DNS/mail/XMPP/web hosting to all holders of .cyb
>>>> >> >> domains.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> We are also going to implement an opt-in mailing list which
>would
>>>> >> >> permit notifications of domain registrations to be sent out
>to all
>>>> >> >> those interested. This will, of course, be optional on both
>sides
>>>> >> >> (opt-in to notify, opt-in to receive).
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Furthermore, we will provide a certificate authority and
>issue each
>>>> >> >> domain owner with a corresponding certificate. Alternative
>names and
>>>> >> >> wildcards can also be requested.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Registration
>>>> >> >> - - - - - -
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Registration of .cyb domains is free of charge. Any person
>can
>>>> >> >> register as many .cyb domains as they wish, providing they
>have a
>>>> >> >> legitimate use for them (as described within this charter).
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> In general, usage should be non-commercial (although this
>>>> >> >> requirement is mostly subjective and might require a vote
>from the
>>>> >> >> membership). As a guide, .cyb domains used for commercial
>purposes
>>>> >> >> should not aim to appeal to the general public. For example,
>a
>>>> >> >> website selling amateur radio equipment or anime DVDs would
>be
>>>> >> >> acceptable, but one selling pre-built computers would not.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Registrations are offered on a first-come first-served basis,
>and
>>>> >> >> last one year before they must be renewed.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> We aim to provide a web interface for managing and
>registering
>>>> >> >> domains, however, early users of the TLD may register domains
>by
>>>> >> >> email.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Policies
>>>> >> >> - - - -
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> The following activities are prohibited, and will result in
>>>> >> >> revocation of the offending domain(s):
>>>> >> >> * Domain squatting
>>>> >> >> * Distribution of child pornography
>>>> >> >> * Distribution of spam/malware
>>>> >> >> * Unauthorised access of other computer systems
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Domains will be revoked if the .cyb administration or
>membership
>>>> >> >> deems them to be in violation of this policy. Please report
>any
>>>> >> >> violating domains to the abuse email address (listed in the
>>>> >> >> 'Contacts') section of this charter.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Voting
>>>> >> >> - - -
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Members (anyone who holds a .cyb domain and is a member of
>OpenNIC)
>>>> >> >> are eligible to call for, and vote on, motions relating to
>the
>>>> >> >> administration of the domain. Motions will be passed by a
>majority
>>>> >> >> of votes.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Contacts
>>>> >> >> - - - -
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> * DNS master - hostmaster AT opennic.cyb
>>>> >> >> * Abuse -  abuse AT opennic.cyb
>>>> >> >> * Webmaster - webmaster AT opennic.cyb
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> * Pre-release contacts - albino AT autistici.org, sy AT zm.is
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> ========================
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Thanks for reading this proposal, and we welcome any feedback
>and
>>>> >> >> suggestions you might have.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Al Beano <albino AT autistici.org>
>>>> >> >> sy <sy AT zm.is>
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