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[Simon Castano <netherland-office AT liberland.org>]

Considering that one needs to change its DNS settings before accessing 
OpenNIC domains, any commercial use will be for niche markets.
As such, I consider that commercial may be allowed without restrictions

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Simon

On 2017-07-12 22:50, Al Beano wrote:
> This is a good point -- The last thing I want to do is create
> additional hurdles and uncertainties for someone wanting to register
> and use a .cyb domain, so I think it might be sensible to get rid of
> the commercial use clause.
>
> On a side note, I noticed the .geek TLD charter has a similar
> restriction on commercial use to the one we proposed for .cyb:
> https://wiki.opennic.org/opennic:dot:geek
> I'd be interested to hear the rationale for this.
>
> albino
>
> On 2017-07-12 20:39, Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> > I think having debates over what counts as commercial use and what
> > doesn't creates an unnecessary layer of complexity. If licensed
> > attorneys at Creative Commons still can't come up with a straight
> > answer for "non-commercial" (and there's a lawsuit going on right now)
> > what makes you think we can?
> >
> > --
> >
> > -Dan Q
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 20:17:54 +0000, Al Beano <albino AT autistici.org> 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > We believe placing restrictions on commercial use leaves domains open 
> > > to
> > > those who would use them non-commercially and in doing so create a
> > > better cyberpunk 'atmosphere' surrounding the TLD. There are many 
> > > spaces
> > > open for unlimited commercial use on the internet (and within 
> > > OpenNIC)
> > > but a TLD designated as being cyberpunk in nature would not benefit 
> > > from
> > > the activity they attract.
> > >
> > > If you're referring to the fact that there is very little current
> > > commercial activity on OpenNIC, that could change in the future and 
> > > we
> > > think it's worth setting out these policies now.
> > >
> > > That said, creating a distinction between what commercial use is
> > > allowed/disallowed is beginning to seem very difficult, and the
> > > ambiguity involved may deter people from using the TLD. We're still 
> > > open
> > > to the idea of dropping the whole thing and allowing commercial use, 
> > > and
> > > would value further feedback.
> > >
> > > On 2017-07-12 20:03, Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> > > > What's the point of allowing or disallowing commercial use?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > -Dan Q
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 19:38:20 +0000, Al Beano <albino AT autistici.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> That's a good point. I agree there comes a point where commercial use
> > > >> needs to be handled on a case-by-case basis, but I think the charter
> > > >> should also include examples to give an idea of what would/would not
> > > >> be
> > > >> acceptable.
> > > >>
> > > >> I stand by using amateur radio as an example, as it's something which
> > > >> is
> > > >> of interest to most real life 'cyberpunks', but not to the general
> > > >> public. There will inevitably be some overlap betweeen .cyb and .geek
> > > >> because most cyberpunks/cyberpunk enthusiasts are also geeks, but the
> > > >> ethos and community surrounding the two TLDs will be very different.
> > > >>
> > > >> The example of anime DVDs can be removed altogether.
> > > >>
> > > >> albino
> > > >>
> > > >> On 2017-07-12 19:25, Famicoman wrote:
> > > >> > I understand where you are coming from regarding commercial use of
> > > >> > sites, but the argument could be made that something like anime DVD
> > > >> > sales could be just as mainstream as pre-built computers. A computer
> > > >> > could be just as cyberpunk as an Akira DVD, but on the other hand a
> > > >> > random person off the street might really like Spirited Away or
> > > >> > something even if they don't know much about the genre.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Maybe say commercial sites could be allowed for cyberpunk goods, under
> > > >> > the discretion of .cyb administrators on a case-by-case basis as
> > > >> > needed? Just blanketing anime or amateur radio could be general enough
> > > >> > for a .geek site.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Jul 12, 2017 2:58 PM, "Al Beano" <albino AT autistici.org> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> Hello,
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> We would like to propose a new TLD (.cyb) for OpenNIC:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> .cyb TLD
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> ===========
> > > >> >> + CHARTER +
> > > >> >> ===========
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Description
> > > >> >> - - - - - -
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> .cyb is a space for all things cyberpunk, including the
> > > >> >> 'underground' use of technology in the real world. This includes
> > > >> >> cyberpunk fiction, computers, and any kind of homebrew/hobbyist
> > > >> >> technology.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> .cyb is no ordinary TLD. We strive to bring TLDs to a community
> > > >> >> level by automating the registration process, and providing services
> > > >> >> such as free DNS/mail/XMPP/web hosting to all holders of .cyb
> > > >> >> domains.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> We are also going to implement an opt-in mailing list which would
> > > >> >> permit notifications of domain registrations to be sent out to all
> > > >> >> those interested. This will, of course, be optional on both sides
> > > >> >> (opt-in to notify, opt-in to receive).
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Furthermore, we will provide a certificate authority and issue each
> > > >> >> domain owner with a corresponding certificate. Alternative names and
> > > >> >> wildcards can also be requested.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Registration
> > > >> >> - - - - - -
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Registration of .cyb domains is free of charge. Any person can
> > > >> >> register as many .cyb domains as they wish, providing they have a
> > > >> >> legitimate use for them (as described within this charter).
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> In general, usage should be non-commercial (although this
> > > >> >> requirement is mostly subjective and might require a vote from the
> > > >> >> membership). As a guide, .cyb domains used for commercial purposes
> > > >> >> should not aim to appeal to the general public. For example, a
> > > >> >> website selling amateur radio equipment or anime DVDs would be
> > > >> >> acceptable, but one selling pre-built computers would not.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Registrations are offered on a first-come first-served basis, and
> > > >> >> last one year before they must be renewed.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> We aim to provide a web interface for managing and registering
> > > >> >> domains, however, early users of the TLD may register domains by
> > > >> >> email.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Policies
> > > >> >> - - - -
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> The following activities are prohibited, and will result in
> > > >> >> revocation of the offending domain(s):
> > > >> >> * Domain squatting
> > > >> >> * Distribution of child pornography
> > > >> >> * Distribution of spam/malware
> > > >> >> * Unauthorised access of other computer systems
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Domains will be revoked if the .cyb administration or membership
> > > >> >> deems them to be in violation of this policy. Please report any
> > > >> >> violating domains to the abuse email address (listed in the
> > > >> >> 'Contacts') section of this charter.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Voting
> > > >> >> - - -
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Members (anyone who holds a .cyb domain and is a member of OpenNIC)
> > > >> >> are eligible to call for, and vote on, motions relating to the
> > > >> >> administration of the domain. Motions will be passed by a majority
> > > >> >> of votes.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Contacts
> > > >> >> - - - -
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> * DNS master - hostmaster AT opennic.cyb
> > > >> >> * Abuse -  abuse AT opennic.cyb
> > > >> >> * Webmaster - webmaster AT opennic.cyb
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> * Pre-release contacts - albino AT autistici.org, sy AT zm.is
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> ========================
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Thanks for reading this proposal, and we welcome any feedback and
> > > >> >> suggestions you might have.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Al Beano <albino AT autistici.org>
> > > >> >> sy <sy AT zm.is>
> > > >> >>
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