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[Al Beano <albino AT autistici.org>]

I appreciate that most users of .cyb would be geeks themselves, but I think 
many of them wouldn't want a domain representing geeks and geek culture. 

With regard to the name, I think .cyb is fairly catchy; it's short and looks 
good written down. .cyberpunk has neither of these qualities. I've seen 
"cyberpunk" abbreviated as "cyb" quite often, for example on Lainchan. 

albino 

On 13 July 2017 04:31:55 BST, Christopher <weblionx AT gmail.com> wrote:
>I'd say go with either entirely non-commercial, or allow it. Even if
>you say "only commercial activity allowed is for bespoke goods" at
>what point does it go from being hobby to mass manufacturer? A single
>person could, for example, buy an injection molder and pick-and-place
>machine and start cranking out rather large quantities of an
>electronic item. Maybe if you really want to limit it, you could come
>up with an allowed-list and have membership votes regarding adding
>items to the list, but that makes a mess of things.
>
>Regarding the idea in general, I think it's a neat idea, but at the
>same time it's similar to .geek. Yeah it's got a bit of a twist, but
>".cyb" isn't exactly a catchy name, and misses the "punk" part
>completely. Any reason for not proposing ".cyberpunk"? Or maybe
>something else but along the same lines.
>
>- wlx
>
>On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 5:16 PM,  <vv AT cgs.pw> wrote:
>> I agree, "commercial" is not easy to define in
>> this situation. Perhaps that is because it is really
>> something else that is being thought about. After
>> all if something is not clear, then it can only be
>> because we don't know what we're talking about. :)
>>
>> It might be worthwhile to look at what it _really_
>> is that the charter is intended to exclude.
>>
>> ~ Ole
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 16:39:41 -0400 (EDT)
>> "Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think having debates over what counts as commercial use
>>> and what doesn't creates an unnecessary layer of
>>> complexity. If licensed attorneys at Creative Commons
>>> still can't come up with a straight answer for
>>> "non-commercial" (and there's a lawsuit going on right
>>> now) what makes you think we can?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> -Dan Q
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 20:17:54 +0000, Al Beano
>>> <albino AT autistici.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > We believe placing restrictions on commercial use
>>> > leaves domains open to those who would use them
>>> > non-commercially and in doing so create a better
>>> > cyberpunk 'atmosphere' surrounding the TLD. There are
>>> > many spaces open for unlimited commercial use on the
>>> > internet (and within OpenNIC) but a TLD designated as
>>> > being cyberpunk in nature would not benefit from the
>>> > activity they attract.
>>> >
>>> > If you're referring to the fact that there is very
>>> > little current commercial activity on OpenNIC, that
>>> > could change in the future and we think it's worth
>>> > setting out these policies now.
>>> >
>>> > That said, creating a distinction between what
>>> > commercial use is allowed/disallowed is beginning to
>>> > seem very difficult, and the ambiguity involved may
>>> > deter people from using the TLD. We're still open to
>>> > the idea of dropping the whole thing and allowing
>>> > commercial use, and would value further feedback.
>>> >
>>> > On 2017-07-12 20:03, Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
>>> > > What's the point of allowing or disallowing
>>> > > commercial use?
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > >
>>> > > -Dan Q
>>> > >
>>> > > On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 19:38:20 +0000, Al Beano
>>> > > <albino AT autistici.org> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> That's a good point. I agree there comes a point
>>> > >> where commercial use needs to be handled on a
>>> > >> case-by-case basis, but I think the charter should
>>> > >> also include examples to give an idea of what
>>> > >> would/would not be acceptable.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I stand by using amateur radio as an example, as
>>> > >> it's something which is
>>> > >> of interest to most real life 'cyberpunks', but not
>>> > >> to the general public. There will inevitably be some
>>> > >> overlap betweeen .cyb and .geek because most
>>> > >> cyberpunks/cyberpunk enthusiasts are also geeks, but
>>> > >> the ethos and community surrounding the two TLDs
>>> > >> will be very different.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> The example of anime DVDs can be removed altogether.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> albino
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On 2017-07-12 19:25, Famicoman wrote:
>>> > >> > I understand where you are coming from regarding
>>> > >> > commercial use of sites, but the argument could be
>>> > >> > made that something like anime DVD sales could be
>>> > >> > just as mainstream as pre-built computers. A
>>> > >> > computer could be just as cyberpunk as an Akira
>>> > >> > DVD, but on the other hand a random person off the
>>> > >> > street might really like Spirited Away or
>>> > >> > something even if they don't know much about the
>>> > >> > genre.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Maybe say commercial sites could be allowed for
>>> > >> > cyberpunk goods, under the discretion of .cyb
>>> > >> > administrators on a case-by-case basis as needed?
>>> > >> > Just blanketing anime or amateur radio could be
>>> > >> > general enough for a .geek site.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > On Jul 12, 2017 2:58 PM, "Al Beano"
>>> > >> > <albino AT autistici.org> wrote:
>>> > >> >> Hello,
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> We would like to propose a new TLD (.cyb) for
>>> > >> >> OpenNIC:
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> .cyb TLD
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> ===========
>>> > >> >> + CHARTER +
>>> > >> >> ===========
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Description
>>> > >> >> - - - - - -
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> .cyb is a space for all things cyberpunk,
>>> > >> >> including the 'underground' use of technology in
>>> > >> >> the real world. This includes cyberpunk fiction,
>>> > >> >> computers, and any kind of homebrew/hobbyist
>>> > >> >> technology.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> .cyb is no ordinary TLD. We strive to bring TLDs
>>> > >> >> to a community level by automating the
>>> > >> >> registration process, and providing services such
>>> > >> >> as free DNS/mail/XMPP/web hosting to all holders
>>> > >> >> of .cyb domains.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> We are also going to implement an opt-in mailing
>>> > >> >> list which would permit notifications of domain
>>> > >> >> registrations to be sent out to all those
>>> > >> >> interested. This will, of course, be optional on
>>> > >> >> both sides (opt-in to notify, opt-in to receive).
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Furthermore, we will provide a certificate
>>> > >> >> authority and issue each domain owner with a
>>> > >> >> corresponding certificate. Alternative names and
>>> > >> >> wildcards can also be requested.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Registration
>>> > >> >> - - - - - -
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Registration of .cyb domains is free of charge.
>>> > >> >> Any person can register as many .cyb domains as
>>> > >> >> they wish, providing they have a legitimate use
>>> > >> >> for them (as described within this charter).
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> In general, usage should be non-commercial
>>> > >> >> (although this requirement is mostly subjective
>>> > >> >> and might require a vote from the membership). As
>>> > >> >> a guide, .cyb domains used for commercial
>>> > >> >> purposes should not aim to appeal to the general
>>> > >> >> public. For example, a website selling amateur
>>> > >> >> radio equipment or anime DVDs would be
>>> > >> >> acceptable, but one selling pre-built computers
>>> > >> >> would not.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Registrations are offered on a first-come
>>> > >> >> first-served basis, and last one year before they
>>> > >> >> must be renewed.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> We aim to provide a web interface for managing
>>> > >> >> and registering domains, however, early users of
>>> > >> >> the TLD may register domains by email.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Policies
>>> > >> >> - - - -
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> The following activities are prohibited, and will
>>> > >> >> result in revocation of the offending domain(s):
>>> > >> >> * Domain squatting
>>> > >> >> * Distribution of child pornography
>>> > >> >> * Distribution of spam/malware
>>> > >> >> * Unauthorised access of other computer systems
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Domains will be revoked if the .cyb
>>> > >> >> administration or membership deems them to be in
>>> > >> >> violation of this policy. Please report any
>>> > >> >> violating domains to the abuse email address
>>> > >> >> (listed in the 'Contacts') section of this
>>> > >> >> charter.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Voting
>>> > >> >> - - -
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Members (anyone who holds a .cyb domain and is a
>>> > >> >> member of OpenNIC) are eligible to call for, and
>>> > >> >> vote on, motions relating to the administration
>>> > >> >> of the domain. Motions will be passed by a
>>> > >> >> majority of votes.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Contacts
>>> > >> >> - - - -
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> * DNS master - hostmaster AT opennic.cyb
>>> > >> >> * Abuse -  abuse AT opennic.cyb
>>> > >> >> * Webmaster - webmaster AT opennic.cyb
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> * Pre-release contacts - albino AT autistici.org,
>>> > >> >> sy AT zm.is
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> ========================
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Thanks for reading this proposal, and we welcome
>>> > >> >> any feedback and suggestions you might have.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Al Beano <albino AT autistici.org>
>>> > >> >> sy <sy AT zm.is>
>>> > >> >>
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