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I agree, "commercial" is not easy to define in
this situation. Perhaps that is because it is really
something else that is being thought about. After
all if something is not clear, then it can only be
because we don't know what we're talking about. :)

It might be worthwhile to look at what it _really_
is that the charter is intended to exclude.

~ Ole


On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 16:39:41 -0400 (EDT)
"Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:

> I think having debates over what counts as commercial use
> and what doesn't creates an unnecessary layer of
> complexity. If licensed attorneys at Creative Commons
> still can't come up with a straight answer for
> "non-commercial" (and there's a lawsuit going on right
> now) what makes you think we can?
> 
> --
> 
> -Dan Q
> 
> 
> On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 20:17:54 +0000, Al Beano
> <albino AT autistici.org> wrote:
> 
> > We believe placing restrictions on commercial use
> > leaves domains open to those who would use them
> > non-commercially and in doing so create a better
> > cyberpunk 'atmosphere' surrounding the TLD. There are
> > many spaces open for unlimited commercial use on the
> > internet (and within OpenNIC) but a TLD designated as
> > being cyberpunk in nature would not benefit from the
> > activity they attract.
> > 
> > If you're referring to the fact that there is very
> > little current commercial activity on OpenNIC, that
> > could change in the future and we think it's worth
> > setting out these policies now.
> > 
> > That said, creating a distinction between what
> > commercial use is allowed/disallowed is beginning to
> > seem very difficult, and the ambiguity involved may
> > deter people from using the TLD. We're still open to
> > the idea of dropping the whole thing and allowing
> > commercial use, and would value further feedback.
> > 
> > On 2017-07-12 20:03, Daniel Quintiliani wrote:  
> > > What's the point of allowing or disallowing
> > > commercial use?
> > > 
> > > --
> > > 
> > > -Dan Q
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 19:38:20 +0000, Al Beano
> > > <albino AT autistici.org> wrote:
> > >   
> > >> That's a good point. I agree there comes a point
> > >> where commercial use needs to be handled on a
> > >> case-by-case basis, but I think the charter should
> > >> also include examples to give an idea of what
> > >> would/would not be acceptable.
> > >> 
> > >> I stand by using amateur radio as an example, as
> > >> it's something which is
> > >> of interest to most real life 'cyberpunks', but not
> > >> to the general public. There will inevitably be some
> > >> overlap betweeen .cyb and .geek because most
> > >> cyberpunks/cyberpunk enthusiasts are also geeks, but
> > >> the ethos and community surrounding the two TLDs
> > >> will be very different.
> > >> 
> > >> The example of anime DVDs can be removed altogether.
> > >> 
> > >> albino
> > >> 
> > >> On 2017-07-12 19:25, Famicoman wrote:  
> > >> > I understand where you are coming from regarding
> > >> > commercial use of sites, but the argument could be
> > >> > made that something like anime DVD sales could be
> > >> > just as mainstream as pre-built computers. A
> > >> > computer could be just as cyberpunk as an Akira
> > >> > DVD, but on the other hand a random person off the
> > >> > street might really like Spirited Away or
> > >> > something even if they don't know much about the
> > >> > genre.
> > >> >
> > >> > Maybe say commercial sites could be allowed for
> > >> > cyberpunk goods, under the discretion of .cyb
> > >> > administrators on a case-by-case basis as needed?
> > >> > Just blanketing anime or amateur radio could be
> > >> > general enough for a .geek site.
> > >> >
> > >> > On Jul 12, 2017 2:58 PM, "Al Beano"
> > >> > <albino AT autistici.org> wrote: 
> > >> >> Hello,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> We would like to propose a new TLD (.cyb) for
> > >> >> OpenNIC:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> .cyb TLD
> > >> >>
> > >> >> ===========
> > >> >> + CHARTER +
> > >> >> ===========
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Description
> > >> >> - - - - - -
> > >> >>
> > >> >> .cyb is a space for all things cyberpunk,
> > >> >> including the 'underground' use of technology in
> > >> >> the real world. This includes cyberpunk fiction,
> > >> >> computers, and any kind of homebrew/hobbyist
> > >> >> technology.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> .cyb is no ordinary TLD. We strive to bring TLDs
> > >> >> to a community level by automating the
> > >> >> registration process, and providing services such
> > >> >> as free DNS/mail/XMPP/web hosting to all holders
> > >> >> of .cyb domains.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> We are also going to implement an opt-in mailing
> > >> >> list which would permit notifications of domain
> > >> >> registrations to be sent out to all those
> > >> >> interested. This will, of course, be optional on
> > >> >> both sides (opt-in to notify, opt-in to receive).
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Furthermore, we will provide a certificate
> > >> >> authority and issue each domain owner with a
> > >> >> corresponding certificate. Alternative names and
> > >> >> wildcards can also be requested.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Registration
> > >> >> - - - - - -
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Registration of .cyb domains is free of charge.
> > >> >> Any person can register as many .cyb domains as
> > >> >> they wish, providing they have a legitimate use
> > >> >> for them (as described within this charter).
> > >> >>
> > >> >> In general, usage should be non-commercial
> > >> >> (although this requirement is mostly subjective
> > >> >> and might require a vote from the membership). As
> > >> >> a guide, .cyb domains used for commercial
> > >> >> purposes should not aim to appeal to the general
> > >> >> public. For example, a website selling amateur
> > >> >> radio equipment or anime DVDs would be
> > >> >> acceptable, but one selling pre-built computers
> > >> >> would not.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Registrations are offered on a first-come
> > >> >> first-served basis, and last one year before they
> > >> >> must be renewed.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> We aim to provide a web interface for managing
> > >> >> and registering domains, however, early users of
> > >> >> the TLD may register domains by email.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Policies
> > >> >> - - - -
> > >> >>
> > >> >> The following activities are prohibited, and will
> > >> >> result in revocation of the offending domain(s):
> > >> >> * Domain squatting
> > >> >> * Distribution of child pornography
> > >> >> * Distribution of spam/malware
> > >> >> * Unauthorised access of other computer systems
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Domains will be revoked if the .cyb
> > >> >> administration or membership deems them to be in
> > >> >> violation of this policy. Please report any
> > >> >> violating domains to the abuse email address
> > >> >> (listed in the 'Contacts') section of this
> > >> >> charter.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Voting
> > >> >> - - -
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Members (anyone who holds a .cyb domain and is a
> > >> >> member of OpenNIC) are eligible to call for, and
> > >> >> vote on, motions relating to the administration
> > >> >> of the domain. Motions will be passed by a
> > >> >> majority of votes.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Contacts
> > >> >> - - - -
> > >> >>
> > >> >> * DNS master - hostmaster AT opennic.cyb
> > >> >> * Abuse -  abuse AT opennic.cyb
> > >> >> * Webmaster - webmaster AT opennic.cyb
> > >> >>
> > >> >> * Pre-release contacts - albino AT autistici.org,
> > >> >> sy AT zm.is
> > >> >>
> > >> >> ========================
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks for reading this proposal, and we welcome
> > >> >> any feedback and suggestions you might have.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Al Beano <albino AT autistici.org>
> > >> >> sy <sy AT zm.is>
> > >> >>
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