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[Larry Brower <larry AT maxqe.com>]

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On 12/28/2010 05:15 PM, Travis McCrea wrote:
> I do want to point out that there is a major difference between
> "tweaking" / "enhancing" and "reinventing". This is not "changing the
> way we use OpenNIC" so its not "reinventing" its creating a small
> enhancement to better the community.
> 
> Now you say "Better the Community? That's silly you are REMOVING stuff."
> 
> However, look at the success of web forums -- When they have too many
> forum categories to post in, while there still isn't that many people,
> they almost always die. I am not saying that by having dotParody that it
> may kill OpenNIC but I am saying that its better to have a smaller
> number of TLDs as to not overwhelm people.
> 

While you make a point in regards to forums, how exactly does this
relate to people being overwhelmed with TLD's?


> You have stated that there must have been some group that thought this
> was a good idea. If you remember in IRC, I started up the topic that we
> should create dotWTF and all the fun websites we could create with the
> TLD. Then a few others started liking the idea too. lol just because its
> a fun idea to THINK about, doesn't mean its a good idea in practice. It
> seems like the .jobs domain name in ICANN -- sure in theory its great --
> but in practice, when was the last time you had a potential employer
> send you to a .jobs domain name?

This is true and the reason voting should be done in order to add a
domain. If the majority speaks, then it is what should occur. To do
otherwise seems a little dictatorial in nature.

> 
> I am just thinking what if only 2-3 people register domains on .parody
> even after we grow more. Why would we dedicate resources which could be
> used to create a more stable infrastructure to a domain that very few
> people are actually going to take advantage of?
> 


How is this affecting anything? DNS queries are small and if you arent
getting them very often then what resource is really being used other
than a few bytes of disk space for the zone file? Just because it is
only 2 or 3 people using a domain as in your example, doesn't mean it
isnt worth anything. You can not say 100% that there are only 2 or 3
people using the domains under the TLD. You are unable to prove this
beyond a reasonable doubt even if you wanted to since most T2 servers do
not keep logs that long.


> I know there is a number of you within the group that is resistant to
> change. I agree that change, for the sake of change, is not positive.
> However, change, when done for the sake of progress.... should always be
> considered.


Change for progress is good, change because you thing things aren't
being used and using the excuse that it is for progress is bad. Sounds
like something US .gov would do :)


> 
> Clearly there is a large enough number of you who support
> keeping .parody, and its not like I am AGAINST having it. I am just
> thinking that we could use resources better elsewhere. However, if you
> are only against the removal, because you don't like change... well then
> that is a bad reason to be against it. There are a few decent reasons to
> be against the removal of the TLD but "whaaaa OpenNIC might have things
> done differently than what we did when I started with this project 5
> years ago" isn't an acceptable response. it's the same thing with the
> logo... our current logo is old and ugly. You guys are engineers, you
> have to think about non-engineer people coming into this project and
> wanting to take part. I am not suggesting enhancements for the old guys
> here, you would be happy with a clipart logo. I am suggesting
> enhancements which will make the experience more pleasing for new
> people. 
> 


This I believe necessitates a need for more refined policy under the
OPennic charter. For instance, a registrar agreement and policy that
explicitly defines what is required and expected and under what reasons
and by what means TLD's may be removed from the root. With the absense
of a policy that says "TLD's can onmy be removed under the following
conditions...." What is to stop Opennic from acting like the US DoC and
saying "You know we don't agree with what this TLD is doing, lets say it
isnt used much and remove it from the root arbitrarily." ?

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