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[Travis McCrea <teamcoltra AT gmail.com>]

I am just going to skip down to your last point about removing stuff we
disagree with and say "well its not being used... good bye". Thats what
I am trying to avoid. Maybe the parody TLD goes down for whatever
reason, and no one notices, because theres only a select few people who
even use it. 

People create a bunch spam domain names, and it masks the real ones.
What if there is a real website running on .parody and Jeff's search
missed it and he deleted it? 

Instead having those potential domain names on a more widely used T1
would allow them more security to their domain, and by taking .parody
off, we have those resources which can provide as a quick backup to any
T1 thats down or something (I will admit here is where my lack of
network / computer science skills show... so correct me if thats not
practical). 

I am more concerned with the TLD being neglected -- because we forget
about it... and that effecting people who put sites up on it.

I also am having a hard time thinking of many sites that would GO on
it. 

Anyway,thats my stance. :) I don't care TOO much either way. 

On Tue, 2010-12-28 at 17:31 -0600, Larry Brower wrote:
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> On 12/28/2010 05:15 PM, Travis McCrea wrote:
> > I do want to point out that there is a major difference between
> > "tweaking" / "enhancing" and "reinventing". This is not "changing the
> > way we use OpenNIC" so its not "reinventing" its creating a small
> > enhancement to better the community.
> > 
> > Now you say "Better the Community? That's silly you are REMOVING stuff."
> > 
> > However, look at the success of web forums -- When they have too many
> > forum categories to post in, while there still isn't that many people,
> > they almost always die. I am not saying that by having dotParody that it
> > may kill OpenNIC but I am saying that its better to have a smaller
> > number of TLDs as to not overwhelm people.
> > 
> 
> While you make a point in regards to forums, how exactly does this
> relate to people being overwhelmed with TLD's?
> 
> 
> > You have stated that there must have been some group that thought this
> > was a good idea. If you remember in IRC, I started up the topic that we
> > should create dotWTF and all the fun websites we could create with the
> > TLD. Then a few others started liking the idea too. lol just because its
> > a fun idea to THINK about, doesn't mean its a good idea in practice. It
> > seems like the .jobs domain name in ICANN -- sure in theory its great --
> > but in practice, when was the last time you had a potential employer
> > send you to a .jobs domain name?
> 
> This is true and the reason voting should be done in order to add a
> domain. If the majority speaks, then it is what should occur. To do
> otherwise seems a little dictatorial in nature.
> 
> > 
> > I am just thinking what if only 2-3 people register domains on .parody
> > even after we grow more. Why would we dedicate resources which could be
> > used to create a more stable infrastructure to a domain that very few
> > people are actually going to take advantage of?
> > 
> 
> 
> How is this affecting anything? DNS queries are small and if you arent
> getting them very often then what resource is really being used other
> than a few bytes of disk space for the zone file? Just because it is
> only 2 or 3 people using a domain as in your example, doesn't mean it
> isnt worth anything. You can not say 100% that there are only 2 or 3
> people using the domains under the TLD. You are unable to prove this
> beyond a reasonable doubt even if you wanted to since most T2 servers do
> not keep logs that long.
> 
> 
> > I know there is a number of you within the group that is resistant to
> > change. I agree that change, for the sake of change, is not positive.
> > However, change, when done for the sake of progress.... should always be
> > considered.
> 
> 
> Change for progress is good, change because you thing things aren't
> being used and using the excuse that it is for progress is bad. Sounds
> like something US .gov would do :)
> 
> 
> > 
> > Clearly there is a large enough number of you who support
> > keeping .parody, and its not like I am AGAINST having it. I am just
> > thinking that we could use resources better elsewhere. However, if you
> > are only against the removal, because you don't like change... well then
> > that is a bad reason to be against it. There are a few decent reasons to
> > be against the removal of the TLD but "whaaaa OpenNIC might have things
> > done differently than what we did when I started with this project 5
> > years ago" isn't an acceptable response. it's the same thing with the
> > logo... our current logo is old and ugly. You guys are engineers, you
> > have to think about non-engineer people coming into this project and
> > wanting to take part. I am not suggesting enhancements for the old guys
> > here, you would be happy with a clipart logo. I am suggesting
> > enhancements which will make the experience more pleasing for new
> > people. 
> > 
> 
> 
> This I believe necessitates a need for more refined policy under the
> OPennic charter. For instance, a registrar agreement and policy that
> explicitly defines what is required and expected and under what reasons
> and by what means TLD's may be removed from the root. With the absense
> of a policy that says "TLD's can onmy be removed under the following
> conditions...." What is to stop Opennic from acting like the US DoC and
> saying "You know we don't agree with what this TLD is doing, lets say it
> isnt used much and remove it from the root arbitrarily." ?
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