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[Hillebrand van de Groep <hillebrand AT flippylosaurus.eu>]

I do not think that the EFF can have much influence on ICANN, its policies or the owner of the .free TLD.

On December 24, 2016 5:35:42 PM GMT+01:00, Daniel Quintiliani <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:

Why doesn't anyone want to write letters to the EFF instead?

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-Dan Q


On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 22:05:55 -0800, <vv AT cgs.pw> wrote:

If they actually answer a letter from us,
and they might well, then I think it will
be a real classic well worth posting on
our wiki for both education and amusement.

~ Ole


On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 23:27:12 -0500
Christopher <weblionx AT gmail.com> wrote:

The closest I can find to a contact so far is at their
registrar page
( https://www.amazonregistry.com/page/faq#faq-registrar
-> contactamazonregistry AT amazon.com ). ICANN posted an
agreement transferring the TLD registration from Amazon
EU to Amazon Registry Services, Inc., posted at
https://www.icann.org/resources/agreement/free-2015-12-10-en
(that being the newest post on their site regarding .free
that I can find.)

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 9:40 PM, JC
<jc AT motorsports-x.com> wrote:

Who is they? Amazon is the owner. Have they made
comment?

On Dec 23, 2016 8:33 PM, <vv AT cgs.pw> wrote:

They have made it perfectly clear that they
don't acknowledge alts. Might as well go
straight to EFF. Perhaps they will offer some
words of condolence. :)

~ Ole


On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 20:18:23 -0500
Theo B <me AT theos.space> wrote:

I think it's worth a shot. If they even acknowledged
us it would be a start, and even if they say "No",
we may be able to go to the EFF and ask for help.
Even if it doesn't go anywhere, it's still worth
trying.

-Theo

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 7:38 PM, Jonah Aragon
<jonaharagon AT gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 2:58 PM kevin
<krattai AT gmail.com> wrote:

There is no single person who "runs" openNIC, so
anyone who participates is welcome to step up and
start moving on this, conferring with the list
before anything pushed out, as usual.

We do have working groups and organizations for
these purposes though. Public Relations, which I
am heading currently,
( http://wiki.opennicproject.org/PublicRelationsWG)
for example would probably organize something like
this if the community wanted to send a letter. At
the very least so Amazon/whoever didn't receive an
email from some seemingly random person claiming
to represent the project.

Anyways, regarding .free specifically we would
contact Amazon: they own ("own") the ICANN version
of .free so any specific demands (i.e. asking for
our domains to be transferred over) would have to
be handled by them, ICANN certainly couldn't do
anything about that.

If we wanted to contact ICANN it would be more
about reserving our TLDs for the future.

I personally do not think we should write a letter
of any kind. Jeff Taylor said (in the original
thread) it best:

"No, ICANN is not watching us. If we had
thousands of users who made a big stink on social
media, we might get upgraded to a "nuisance""

We've lost TLDs to ICANN before and nothing has
changed in the meantime.

I would consider the whole idea a success if they
even READ any letter we sent them, but I have my
doubts against that. It's a useless cause that
will either go unheard or uncared about. We have
no leverage, so to speak.

I'd like to hear what other people think about the
letter, but personally I believe it's ridiculous.

Jonah



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