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[kevin <krattai AT gmail.com>]

Tyler mentioned this as well and I think I understand what he means.  I
spent many, many years excited about bigger, better, faster, and I
found that simple is still a great methodology.  A manual hammer still
works, and it will continue to work, even when there are no more
explosive charges left for that bigger, better, faster, nail gun.
 Evaluating WHY we are going to use a new technology is one thing,
MOVING to the new technology, without backwards compatibility
(including our ability to communicate within the community) for those
of us that prefer low bandwidth technologies, is probably not a good
path and redundancy also comes into play, so we don't have all eggs in
one basket and a fail (even a failed choice) won't cripple us.

This isn't about using '90s technology.   Heck, I'm all for 70's
technology, as that still remains the backbone of how the internet and
many technologies still work, and they do the job quite well, without
all the overhead.

As I thought I mentioned and was clear about, I'm not opposed to anyone
using what ever tech they want to communicate with other community
members, I just want to stress that forcing the community to move will
absolutely alienate members that are already here.  So much so that any
gains in new members could possibly have zero impact on total
membership and platform adoption.  Also, I'm not likely to adopt a new
platform to vote as I simply have not been voting.  If someone wants to
do something, let them do it, that's my anarchist talking out loud.
 Just don't damage what already exists.  That's how we ran the Terra
Vista community successfully and helped advance the technologies for
the years that VRML was a thing and we were making the technology
bigger, better, and faster...

Cheers,

Kevin

On Mon, 2018-07-09 at 09:45 -0500, Jonah Aragon wrote:
> > 
> > I will keep working on my best effort at keeping openNIC working as
> > it has from the beginning
> Perhaps it isn’t the greatest idea to keep using 90s technology in
> 2018? I suspect the main reason people use OpenNIC was because ICANN
> was a government operated bureaucracy unwilling to change or open the
> system to power users, and OpenNIC was (in theory) an alternative
> system opened to everybody. We’ve seemed to stray far from those
> ideals, at this point we’re just building another ICANN. The
> technology landscape is moving on and leaving us both behind. 
> 
> Jonah
> 
> > 
> > On Jul 9, 2018, at 1:17 AM, kevin <krattai AT gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > More bandwidth does not make for more clear conversation.  I
> > specifically still use text only email for reasons that make
> > perfect
> > sense to me and are most effective for me.  I DO NOT want HTML and
> > other crap in my email and I DO NOT like animated graphics in my
> > social
> > media feeds.
> > 
> > Newer, faster, whatever.  I do not know how many people are still
> > around from when openNIC started, but THE MAIN REASON it started
> > was
> > because people (the members) did not want someone else controlling
> > how
> > they used the internet naming system.  And I would suspect they
> > also
> > don't want others telling them how to have a conversation with
> > other
> > members (ie. using some other platform).
> > 
> > Here's the reality.  This community will continue on, no matter
> > what
> > platform and unless this email server and the IRC gets shut down,
> > some,
> > maybe many of the openNIC community will continue to use it.  I
> > will
> > not "go to discord" (or any other platform) to "vote" for
> > anything.  I
> > will keep working on my best effort at keeping openNIC working as
> > it
> > has from the beginning and will continue to watch this list and
> > make
> > comments while it still exists.
> > 
> > For those who want to play on Discord, I say "have fun there".  I'm
> > happy here.
> > 
> > Kevin
> > 
> > > 
> > > On Sat, 2018-07-07 at 20:14 +0100, Al Beano wrote:
> > > 
> > > On 7 July 2018 19:46:05 BST, Jonah Aragon <jonah AT triplebit.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Discord has a number of benefits outside of "a more modern
> > > > interface"......
> > > Yes. IRC is not an ideal platform but it at least provides user
> > > freedom. For the reasons I explained in my first post in this
> > > thread
> > > I think Discord is completely unacceptable for OpenNIC
> > > communication
> > > regardless of how many great features it might have. 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Also it's free (cost-wise) forever.
> > > Says who? It's a closed platform. There are no guarantees. 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > But nobody is forcing you to join Discord in any case.
> > > I did join, mainly because I am already 'suffering' under Discord
> > > and
> > > one more server will do me no harm, but this sentiment is missing
> > > the
> > > point — the more traction Discord gains in our community, the
> > > more
> > > discussion will shift there and the more people who can't/won't
> > > use
> > > Discord will be excluded, and others will end up using a
> > > proprietary
> > > program just because they want to be involved. I think this is
> > > dangerous. 
> > > 
> > > Furthermore, fusl made this comment on Discord:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > fusl#1337: `it is run by two fairly high-profile members of the
> > > > OpenNIC community` so what? i run two 8.8.8.8/.4.4 pops, that
> > > > also
> > > > doesnt mean that users have to use googles public dns resolvers
> > > > now
> > > > and i do run my own one as well LOL
> > > And when I said that I'd rather discuss this on the mailing list:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > fusl#1337: it's imho not a discussion and you can't force me to
> > > > reply on the mailing list when i do not want to :smiley:
> > > I'd like to address this here regardless (although I can't do
> > > much
> > > about the definition of a discussion) — you using Discord gives
> > > validates it and helps to provide interesting/valuable discussion
> > > there, pressuring users to adopt Discord in addition to other
> > > platforms and excluding those who do not. Your Google resolvers
> > > don't
> > > do this. 
> > > 
> > > albino
> > > 
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