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[<vv AT cgs.pw>]

Sure, I'm with you in personal preference there. :)

Discord is not for us. It is however likely to be
ok for younger people who seem to not notice things
jumping up and down or what you and I might think of
as inappropriate visual displays. But if it feels
like home to them, that's just fine. Like you, I don't
want to tell others how to use the net or otherwise
communicate.

That said, I'm happy to have literally hundreds of
communications channels open on my main machine which
can handle that without breaking a sweat or making
things confusing for an old fart like me. I use text
wherever it's possible, but don't find it hard to
accommodate more fashionable stuff, except that it
pisses me off because it's so damned ugly and typically
hard to read. But that's another story. :)

~ Ole


On Mon, 09 Jul 2018 01:17:16 -0500
kevin <krattai AT gmail.com> wrote:

> More bandwidth does not make for more clear conversation.
>  I specifically still use text only email for reasons
> that make perfect sense to me and are most effective for
> me.  I DO NOT want HTML and other crap in my email and I
> DO NOT like animated graphics in my social media feeds.
> 
> Newer, faster, whatever.  I do not know how many people
> are still around from when openNIC started, but THE MAIN
> REASON it started was because people (the members) did
> not want someone else controlling how they used the
> internet naming system.  And I would suspect they also
> don't want others telling them how to have a conversation
> with other members (ie. using some other platform).
> 
> Here's the reality.  This community will continue on, no
> matter what platform and unless this email server and the
> IRC gets shut down, some, maybe many of the openNIC
> community will continue to use it.  I will not "go to
> discord" (or any other platform) to "vote" for anything.
>  I will keep working on my best effort at keeping openNIC
> working as it has from the beginning and will continue to
> watch this list and make comments while it still exists.
> 
> For those who want to play on Discord, I say "have fun
> there".  I'm happy here.
> 
> Kevin
> 
> On Sat, 2018-07-07 at 20:14 +0100, Al Beano wrote:
> > 
> > On 7 July 2018 19:46:05 BST, Jonah Aragon
> > <jonah AT triplebit.net> wrote:  
> > > 
> > > Discord has a number of benefits outside of "a more
> > > modern interface"......  
> > Yes. IRC is not an ideal platform but it at least
> > provides user freedom. For the reasons I explained in
> > my first post in this thread I think Discord is
> > completely unacceptable for OpenNIC communication
> > regardless of how many great features it might have. 
> > > 
> > > Also it's free (cost-wise) forever.  
> > Says who? It's a closed platform. There are no
> > guarantees. 
> > > 
> > > But nobody is forcing you to join Discord in any
> > > case.  
> > I did join, mainly because I am already 'suffering'
> > under Discord and one more server will do me no harm,
> > but this sentiment is missing the point — the more
> > traction Discord gains in our community, the more
> > discussion will shift there and the more people who
> > can't/won't use Discord will be excluded, and others
> > will end up using a proprietary program just because
> > they want to be involved. I think this is dangerous. 
> > 
> > Furthermore, fusl made this comment on Discord:
> >   
> > > 
> > > fusl#1337: `it is run by two fairly high-profile
> > > members of the OpenNIC community` so what? i run two
> > > 8.8.8.8/.4.4 pops, that also doesnt mean that users
> > > have to use googles public dns resolvers now and i do
> > > run my own one as well LOL  
> > And when I said that I'd rather discuss this on the
> > mailing list:  
> > > 
> > > fusl#1337: it's imho not a discussion and you can't
> > > force me to reply on the mailing list when i do not
> > > want to :smiley:  
> > I'd like to address this here regardless (although I
> > can't do much about the definition of a discussion) —
> > you using Discord gives validates it and helps to
> > provide interesting/valuable discussion there,
> > pressuring users to adopt Discord in addition to other
> > platforms and excluding those who do not. Your Google
> > resolvers don't do this. 
> > 
> > albino
> > 
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