Discuss mailing list

[Philipp Schafft <lion AT lion.leolix.org>]

Good morning,

On Thu, 2018-08-16 at 04:12 -0400, Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> Because then you would instead complain that Google's lousy translation 
> isn't the real thing.

If you would use it in public, yes. But we have already shown that
language is not a property of a vote. And therefore there is also no
need, and maybe even no way, to translate it.

You yourself acknowledged that discussion may be in any language. And
this is more a letter to the public than the start of a discussion. Why
not just follow your own acknowledgment and let this thread be
undisturbed? Including undisturbed by translations that are too poor to
to be called a translation of the text and does not represent anything
that is part of the on-topic discussion.

With best regards,


> --
> 
> -Dan Q
> 
> 
> On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 08:05:18 +0000, Philipp Schafft <lion AT lion.leolix.org> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Good morning,
> > 
> > On Thu, 2018-08-16 at 03:55 -0400, Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> > > No, Google is.
> > 
> > Fun that you found out google can "translate" text. Why didn't you use
> > it for the votes?
> > 
> > > And all OpenNIC members are expected to understand it.
> > 
> > Why? I wrote on German. It is well known to me that a good number of
> > members understand this language while also a good number doesn't. My
> > selecting my language I also directed it to who will understand it. This
> > was an intentional choice.
> > 
> > If I would have wanted my comment in English I would surely have written
> > it in English.
> > 
> > Also I must note that the translation is of poor quality and does in no
> > way represent my statements. Arguing based on this translation is
> > inherently invalid as it doesn't represent my opinion at all.
> > 
> > With best regards,
> > 
> > > --
> > > 
> > > -Dan Q
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:53:27 +0200, Matthias Merkel 
> > > <matthias AT boltn-hosting.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > You're misinterpreting German sayings.
> > > > 
> > > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 9:51 AM Daniel Quintiliani <danq AT runbox.com> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Good morning in the round,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it was really sad at the OpenNIC happened.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It simply eliminates the democratic elections. These warn earlier
> > > > >
> > > > > not really democratic. For example, Never rules
> > > > >
> > > > > When in force, or how to deal with edge effects.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, open elections are something that triggers a group dynamic
> > > > >
> > > > > as the result expires, as well as massive pressure on voters
> > > > >
> > > > > , There was no place in a general election process.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > But I was strangely shocked that the OpenNIC elections are approved
> > > > >
> > > > > which have obvious formal defects. This is already in the
> > > > >
> > > > > Past happens. An example of this is Mr. Quintiliani's choice
> > > > >
> > > > > "Invalidate previous votes" in the electoral period * before * the
> > > > >
> > > > > Announcement began. That's the 7-day rule not met.
> > > > >
> > > > > Such a thing should lead to the immediate demolition.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, I'm thinking that the members of the OpenNIC are easy
> > > > >
> > > > > prevent people like Mr. Quintiliani "proposal" s in the
> > > > >
> > > > > Quick shot raushaut. Whenever something is missing, there is, 
> > > > > without
> > > > >
> > > > > Reflection phase, no request to do so five minutes later ...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Stages of reflection and reflection are something that is undisputed
> > > > >
> > > > > We are part of every good conflict resolution.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > And everything dies after the story with Spamhaus. Do not ask me,
> > > > >
> > > > > Was that got out? But maybe I would be the next one
> > > > >
> > > > > Days write something else.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > With best regards and hope, OpenNIC can reconsider, in
> > > > >
> > > > > the round,
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > -Dan Q
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:50:19 +0200, Matthias Merkel <
> > > > > matthias AT boltn-hosting.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > It's not. His message did not contain any threads or anything 
> > > > > > weapon
> > > > > > related.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 9:49 AM Daniel Quintiliani <danq AT runbox.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > And it also mentions a "round" is that like a round of ammo?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Dan Q
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 03:35:15 -0400 (EDT), "Daniel Quintiliani" <
> > > > > > > danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Google also says you want to shoot me!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -Dan Q
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 03:04:36 -0400 (EDT), "Daniel 
> > > > > > > > Quintiliani" <
> > > > > > > danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Why are you threatening to demolish me?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -Dan Q
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 06:31:21 +0000, Philipp Schafft <
> > > > > > > lion AT lion.leolix.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Guten Morgen in die Runde,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ich finde es echt traurig was gerade bei der OpenNIC 
> > > > > > > > > > passiert.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Man schafft die demokratischen Wahlen einfach ab. Diese 
> > > > > > > > > > wahren
> > > > > früher
> > > > > > > > > > schon nicht wirklich demokratisch. So z.B. gab es nie 
> > > > > > > > > > regeln
> > > > > darüber
> > > > > > > > > > wann Dinge in Kraft treten, oder wie mit Randeffekten um 
> > > > > > > > > > zu gehen
> > > > > > > ist.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Auch sind offene Wahlen etwas das eine Gruppendynamik 
> > > > > > > > > > auslöst,
> > > > > die
> > > > > > > > > > sowohl das Ergebnis verfälscht, als auch massiven Druck 
> > > > > > > > > > auf die
> > > > > > > Wähler
> > > > > > > > > > ausübt. Etwas was in einem allgemeine Wahlvorgang keinen 
> > > > > > > > > > platz
> > > > > hat.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Was mich aber besonders schockiert ist das die OpenNIC 
> > > > > > > > > > Wahlen
> > > > > > > anerkennt
> > > > > > > > > > die offensichtliche formale Fehler aufweisen. Dies ist 
> > > > > > > > > > auch
> > > > > schon in
> > > > > > > der
> > > > > > > > > > Vergangenheit passiert. Ein Beispiel dafür ist Herr 
> > > > > > > > > > Quintilianis
> > > > > Wahl
> > > > > > > > > > "Invalidate previous votes" bei welcher die Wahlperiode 
> > > > > > > > > > *vor* der
> > > > > > > > > > Ankündigung began. Damit ist die 7-Tage Regel nicht 
> > > > > > > > > > eingehalten.
> > > > > > > > > > So etwas sollte zum sofortigen Abbruch führen.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Auch bin ich besorgt darüber, dass die Mitglieder der 
> > > > > > > > > > OpenNIC es
> > > > > > > einfach
> > > > > > > > > > hinnehmen dass Personen wie Herr Quintiliani "Proposal"s 
> > > > > > > > > > im
> > > > > > > > > > Schnellschuss raushaut. Immer wenn ihm etwas missfällt, 
> > > > > > > > > > gibt es,
> > > > > ohne
> > > > > > > > > > phase der Reflektieren, keine fünf Minuten später einen 
> > > > > > > > > > Antrag
> > > > > > > dazu...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Phasen der Besinnung und der Reflektion sind etwas, dass
> > > > > > > unbestrittener
> > > > > > > > > > weise Teil von jeder guten Konfliktlösung sind.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Und dies alles nach der Geschichte mit Spamhaus. Fragt 
> > > > > > > > > > sich den
> > > > > > > keiner,
> > > > > > > > > > was daraus geworden ist? Dazu werde ich aber vielleicht 
> > > > > > > > > > die
> > > > > nächsten
> > > > > > > > > > Tage etwas anderes schreiben.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mit bestem Gruß und der Hoffnung, OpenNIC kann sich erneut
> > > > > besinnen,
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > die Runde,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > Philipp.
> > > > > > > > > >  (Rah of PH2)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --------
> > > > > > > > > > You are a member of the OpenNIC Discuss list.
> > > > > > > > > > You may unsubscribe by emailing
> > > > > > > discuss-unsubscribe AT lists.opennicproject.org
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --------
> > > > > > > > > You are a member of the OpenNIC Discuss list.
> > > > > > > > > You may unsubscribe by emailing
> > > > > > > discuss-unsubscribe AT lists.opennicproject.org
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --------
> > > > > > > > You are a member of the OpenNIC Discuss list.
> > > > > > > > You may unsubscribe by emailing
> > > > > > > discuss-unsubscribe AT lists.opennicproject.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --------
> > > > > > > You are a member of the OpenNIC Discuss list.
> > > > > > > You may unsubscribe by emailing
> > > > > > > discuss-unsubscribe AT lists.opennicproject.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --------
> > > > > > You are a member of the OpenNIC Discuss list.
> > > > > > You may unsubscribe by emailing
> > > > > discuss-unsubscribe AT lists.opennicproject.org
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --------
> > > > > You are a member of the OpenNIC Discuss list.
> > > > > You may unsubscribe by emailing
> > > > > discuss-unsubscribe AT lists.opennicproject.org
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --------
> > > > You are a member of the OpenNIC Discuss list. 
> > > > You may unsubscribe by emailing 
> > > > discuss-unsubscribe AT lists.opennicproject.org
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --------
> > > You are a member of the OpenNIC Discuss list. 
> > > You may unsubscribe by emailing 
> > > discuss-unsubscribe AT lists.opennicproject.org
> > 
> > -- 
> > Philipp.
> >  (Rah of PH2)
> > 
> > 
> > --------
> > You are a member of the OpenNIC Discuss list. 
> > You may unsubscribe by emailing 
> > discuss-unsubscribe AT lists.opennicproject.org
> 
> 
> 
> --------
> You are a member of the OpenNIC Discuss list. 
> You may unsubscribe by emailing discuss-unsubscribe AT lists.opennicproject.org

-- 
Philipp.
 (Rah of PH2)