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[Philipp Schafft <lion AT lion.leolix.org>]

Good morning,

On Thu, 2018-08-16 at 03:55 -0400, Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> No, Google is.

Fun that you found out google can "translate" text. Why didn't you use
it for the votes?

> And all OpenNIC members are expected to understand it.

Why? I wrote on German. It is well known to me that a good number of
members understand this language while also a good number doesn't. My
selecting my language I also directed it to who will understand it. This
was an intentional choice.

If I would have wanted my comment in English I would surely have written
it in English.

Also I must note that the translation is of poor quality and does in no
way represent my statements. Arguing based on this translation is
inherently invalid as it doesn't represent my opinion at all.

With best regards,

> --
> 
> -Dan Q
> 
> 
> On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:53:27 +0200, Matthias Merkel 
> <matthias AT boltn-hosting.com> wrote:
> 
> > You're misinterpreting German sayings.
> > 
> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 9:51 AM Daniel Quintiliani <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Good morning in the round,
> > >
> > >
> > > I think it was really sad at the OpenNIC happened.
> > >
> > >
> > > It simply eliminates the democratic elections. These warn earlier
> > >
> > > not really democratic. For example, Never rules
> > >
> > > When in force, or how to deal with edge effects.
> > >
> > >
> > > Also, open elections are something that triggers a group dynamic
> > >
> > > as the result expires, as well as massive pressure on voters
> > >
> > > , There was no place in a general election process.
> > >
> > >
> > > But I was strangely shocked that the OpenNIC elections are approved
> > >
> > > which have obvious formal defects. This is already in the
> > >
> > > Past happens. An example of this is Mr. Quintiliani's choice
> > >
> > > "Invalidate previous votes" in the electoral period * before * the
> > >
> > > Announcement began. That's the 7-day rule not met.
> > >
> > > Such a thing should lead to the immediate demolition.
> > >
> > >
> > > Also, I'm thinking that the members of the OpenNIC are easy
> > >
> > > prevent people like Mr. Quintiliani "proposal" s in the
> > >
> > > Quick shot raushaut. Whenever something is missing, there is, without
> > >
> > > Reflection phase, no request to do so five minutes later ...
> > >
> > >
> > > Stages of reflection and reflection are something that is undisputed
> > >
> > > We are part of every good conflict resolution.
> > >
> > >
> > > And everything dies after the story with Spamhaus. Do not ask me,
> > >
> > > Was that got out? But maybe I would be the next one
> > >
> > > Days write something else.
> > >
> > >
> > > With best regards and hope, OpenNIC can reconsider, in
> > >
> > > the round,
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > -Dan Q
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:50:19 +0200, Matthias Merkel <
> > > matthias AT boltn-hosting.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's not. His message did not contain any threads or anything weapon
> > > > related.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 9:49 AM Daniel Quintiliani <danq AT runbox.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > And it also mentions a "round" is that like a round of ammo?
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > -Dan Q
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 03:35:15 -0400 (EDT), "Daniel Quintiliani" <
> > > > > danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Google also says you want to shoot me!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Dan Q
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 03:04:36 -0400 (EDT), "Daniel Quintiliani" <
> > > > > danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why are you threatening to demolish me?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Dan Q
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 06:31:21 +0000, Philipp Schafft <
> > > > > lion AT lion.leolix.org> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Guten Morgen in die Runde,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ich finde es echt traurig was gerade bei der OpenNIC passiert.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Man schafft die demokratischen Wahlen einfach ab. Diese wahren
> > > früher
> > > > > > > > schon nicht wirklich demokratisch. So z.B. gab es nie regeln
> > > darüber
> > > > > > > > wann Dinge in Kraft treten, oder wie mit Randeffekten um zu 
> > > > > > > > gehen
> > > > > ist.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Auch sind offene Wahlen etwas das eine Gruppendynamik auslöst,
> > > die
> > > > > > > > sowohl das Ergebnis verfälscht, als auch massiven Druck auf 
> > > > > > > > die
> > > > > Wähler
> > > > > > > > ausübt. Etwas was in einem allgemeine Wahlvorgang keinen platz
> > > hat.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Was mich aber besonders schockiert ist das die OpenNIC Wahlen
> > > > > anerkennt
> > > > > > > > die offensichtliche formale Fehler aufweisen. Dies ist auch
> > > schon in
> > > > > der
> > > > > > > > Vergangenheit passiert. Ein Beispiel dafür ist Herr 
> > > > > > > > Quintilianis
> > > Wahl
> > > > > > > > "Invalidate previous votes" bei welcher die Wahlperiode *vor* 
> > > > > > > > der
> > > > > > > > Ankündigung began. Damit ist die 7-Tage Regel nicht 
> > > > > > > > eingehalten.
> > > > > > > > So etwas sollte zum sofortigen Abbruch führen.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Auch bin ich besorgt darüber, dass die Mitglieder der OpenNIC 
> > > > > > > > es
> > > > > einfach
> > > > > > > > hinnehmen dass Personen wie Herr Quintiliani "Proposal"s im
> > > > > > > > Schnellschuss raushaut. Immer wenn ihm etwas missfällt, gibt 
> > > > > > > > es,
> > > ohne
> > > > > > > > phase der Reflektieren, keine fünf Minuten später einen Antrag
> > > > > dazu...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Phasen der Besinnung und der Reflektion sind etwas, dass
> > > > > unbestrittener
> > > > > > > > weise Teil von jeder guten Konfliktlösung sind.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Und dies alles nach der Geschichte mit Spamhaus. Fragt sich 
> > > > > > > > den
> > > > > keiner,
> > > > > > > > was daraus geworden ist? Dazu werde ich aber vielleicht die
> > > nächsten
> > > > > > > > Tage etwas anderes schreiben.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mit bestem Gruß und der Hoffnung, OpenNIC kann sich erneut
> > > besinnen,
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > die Runde,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Philipp.
> > > > > > > >  (Rah of PH2)
> > > > > > > >
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Philipp.
 (Rah of PH2)