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["Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com>]

Because then you would instead complain that Google's lousy translation isn't 
the real thing.

--

-Dan Q


On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 08:05:18 +0000, Philipp Schafft <lion AT lion.leolix.org> 
wrote:

> Good morning,
> 
> On Thu, 2018-08-16 at 03:55 -0400, Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> > No, Google is.
> 
> Fun that you found out google can "translate" text. Why didn't you use
> it for the votes?
> 
> > And all OpenNIC members are expected to understand it.
> 
> Why? I wrote on German. It is well known to me that a good number of
> members understand this language while also a good number doesn't. My
> selecting my language I also directed it to who will understand it. This
> was an intentional choice.
> 
> If I would have wanted my comment in English I would surely have written
> it in English.
> 
> Also I must note that the translation is of poor quality and does in no
> way represent my statements. Arguing based on this translation is
> inherently invalid as it doesn't represent my opinion at all.
> 
> With best regards,
> 
> > --
> > 
> > -Dan Q
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:53:27 +0200, Matthias Merkel 
> > <matthias AT boltn-hosting.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > You're misinterpreting German sayings.
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 9:51 AM Daniel Quintiliani <danq AT runbox.com> 
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Good morning in the round,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think it was really sad at the OpenNIC happened.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It simply eliminates the democratic elections. These warn earlier
> > > >
> > > > not really democratic. For example, Never rules
> > > >
> > > > When in force, or how to deal with edge effects.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Also, open elections are something that triggers a group dynamic
> > > >
> > > > as the result expires, as well as massive pressure on voters
> > > >
> > > > , There was no place in a general election process.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > But I was strangely shocked that the OpenNIC elections are approved
> > > >
> > > > which have obvious formal defects. This is already in the
> > > >
> > > > Past happens. An example of this is Mr. Quintiliani's choice
> > > >
> > > > "Invalidate previous votes" in the electoral period * before * the
> > > >
> > > > Announcement began. That's the 7-day rule not met.
> > > >
> > > > Such a thing should lead to the immediate demolition.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Also, I'm thinking that the members of the OpenNIC are easy
> > > >
> > > > prevent people like Mr. Quintiliani "proposal" s in the
> > > >
> > > > Quick shot raushaut. Whenever something is missing, there is, without
> > > >
> > > > Reflection phase, no request to do so five minutes later ...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Stages of reflection and reflection are something that is undisputed
> > > >
> > > > We are part of every good conflict resolution.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > And everything dies after the story with Spamhaus. Do not ask me,
> > > >
> > > > Was that got out? But maybe I would be the next one
> > > >
> > > > Days write something else.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > With best regards and hope, OpenNIC can reconsider, in
> > > >
> > > > the round,
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > -Dan Q
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:50:19 +0200, Matthias Merkel <
> > > > matthias AT boltn-hosting.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It's not. His message did not contain any threads or anything weapon
> > > > > related.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 9:49 AM Daniel Quintiliani <danq AT runbox.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > And it also mentions a "round" is that like a round of ammo?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Dan Q
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 03:35:15 -0400 (EDT), "Daniel Quintiliani" <
> > > > > > danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Google also says you want to shoot me!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Dan Q
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 03:04:36 -0400 (EDT), "Daniel Quintiliani" <
> > > > > > danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why are you threatening to demolish me?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -Dan Q
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 06:31:21 +0000, Philipp Schafft <
> > > > > > lion AT lion.leolix.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Guten Morgen in die Runde,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ich finde es echt traurig was gerade bei der OpenNIC 
> > > > > > > > > passiert.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Man schafft die demokratischen Wahlen einfach ab. Diese 
> > > > > > > > > wahren
> > > > früher
> > > > > > > > > schon nicht wirklich demokratisch. So z.B. gab es nie regeln
> > > > darüber
> > > > > > > > > wann Dinge in Kraft treten, oder wie mit Randeffekten um zu 
> > > > > > > > > gehen
> > > > > > ist.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Auch sind offene Wahlen etwas das eine Gruppendynamik 
> > > > > > > > > auslöst,
> > > > die
> > > > > > > > > sowohl das Ergebnis verfälscht, als auch massiven Druck auf 
> > > > > > > > > die
> > > > > > Wähler
> > > > > > > > > ausübt. Etwas was in einem allgemeine Wahlvorgang keinen 
> > > > > > > > > platz
> > > > hat.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Was mich aber besonders schockiert ist das die OpenNIC 
> > > > > > > > > Wahlen
> > > > > > anerkennt
> > > > > > > > > die offensichtliche formale Fehler aufweisen. Dies ist auch
> > > > schon in
> > > > > > der
> > > > > > > > > Vergangenheit passiert. Ein Beispiel dafür ist Herr 
> > > > > > > > > Quintilianis
> > > > Wahl
> > > > > > > > > "Invalidate previous votes" bei welcher die Wahlperiode 
> > > > > > > > > *vor* der
> > > > > > > > > Ankündigung began. Damit ist die 7-Tage Regel nicht 
> > > > > > > > > eingehalten.
> > > > > > > > > So etwas sollte zum sofortigen Abbruch führen.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Auch bin ich besorgt darüber, dass die Mitglieder der 
> > > > > > > > > OpenNIC es
> > > > > > einfach
> > > > > > > > > hinnehmen dass Personen wie Herr Quintiliani "Proposal"s im
> > > > > > > > > Schnellschuss raushaut. Immer wenn ihm etwas missfällt, 
> > > > > > > > > gibt es,
> > > > ohne
> > > > > > > > > phase der Reflektieren, keine fünf Minuten später einen 
> > > > > > > > > Antrag
> > > > > > dazu...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Phasen der Besinnung und der Reflektion sind etwas, dass
> > > > > > unbestrittener
> > > > > > > > > weise Teil von jeder guten Konfliktlösung sind.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Und dies alles nach der Geschichte mit Spamhaus. Fragt sich 
> > > > > > > > > den
> > > > > > keiner,
> > > > > > > > > was daraus geworden ist? Dazu werde ich aber vielleicht die
> > > > nächsten
> > > > > > > > > Tage etwas anderes schreiben.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mit bestem Gruß und der Hoffnung, OpenNIC kann sich erneut
> > > > besinnen,
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > die Runde,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Philipp.
> > > > > > > > >  (Rah of PH2)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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