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From: krattai <krattai AT gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [opennic-discuss] On Daniel Quintiliani's thoughts [WAS: Re: [DE] Es ist traurig...]
To: discuss <discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org>

Spoiling a ballot is intentionally going out of one's way to be recognized and counted when one doesn't believe they are being recognized or heard.

Nothing childish about it.  It is called setting boundaries.  

Many people are afraid to state their opinions and simply conform to something they simply don't believe in or agree with which generally results in bad policy that can be veey difficult to change in the future.

Spoiling a ballot can be an effective tool in democratic voting systems.

Kevin

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 9:31 AM <gp AT gparent.net> wrote:

It really is unclear whether you're spoiling your balon or whether it's
stupid childish trolling. When you purposely go out of your way to not
be understood by the majority, expect not to be understood.

On 2018-08-16 12:48, kevin wrote:
> It doesn't matter how many times I translate the original German post
> and how many times I read it, that no where do I see there being any
> threats of violence.  Maybe my google translate translates different...
>
> I also find it interesting that there appear to be many members from
> different (states? and) countries that understand what a spoiled bal
> is.  That's not to say that some won't understand, but it seems to be
> generally understood within global voting systems.
>
> Which leads me back to when I stated that we need to first consider
> that there has not been established a legal country or state of origin
> for openNIC, if there is any desire to legally uphold any governance in
> respect to the real world.  That this "democracy" that we are chasing
> is more an exercise of academics than real world functionality.  We are
> wanting functional democracy when even in the real world, it doesn't
> properly exist, regardless of anyone's assertion to the contrary.
>
> I will take this back yet further to where I suggested that, for those
> who are interested in directly competing with ICANN, please feel free
> to form a "committee" and take the openNIC framework, create the
> necessary governance decrees, and move forward as an independent group
> seeking that goal.  Still part of the openNIC community and using the
> openNIC core and framework, but with very specific goals, and not
> directly involving the other members who are not interested in that
> goal, leaving the community at large to continue working on its own
> goals. ie. Like any commercial company taking open source software /
> technology and building a business around it.  I could possibly support
> that group, that would stand alone as it's own legal entity, I think.
>  For the most part in principle, anyhow.  Until such time that it
> simply became another ICANN.
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
> On Thu, 2018-08-16 at 11:53 +0000, Philipp Schafft wrote:
>> Good afternoon,
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 2018-08-16 at 07:01 -0400, Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
>> >
>> > It's not my translation, it's Google's translation. Blame their
>> > faulty
>> > algorithms for being "unkind" and "flooding".
>> Their algorithms have not posted to my thread.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > I simply copied and pasted it because nobody was understanding me
>> > when
>> > I thought it was violent.
>> Why did you think so in the first place? There was no reason to do
>> so.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Is there any way you can leave me alone and not have a problem with
>> > me? What do I have to do so you can leave me alone? 
>> I have no personal problem with you at all. I'm also not targeting
>> your
>> person.
>>
>> I'm here to hold the banner of democracy up. With the other banners
>> OpenNIC considers important.
>>
>> And as clearly visible in the archives, I have done so in the past
>> when
>> other persons worked on what I consider fatal erosion on OpenNIC's
>> foundation.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > I'm getting really tired of this. I've missed at least 2 family
>> > get-togethers over the past month because I'm too scared of what
>> >