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["Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com>]

No, Google is. And all OpenNIC members are expected to understand it.

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-Dan Q


On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:53:27 +0200, Matthias Merkel 
<matthias AT boltn-hosting.com> wrote:

> You're misinterpreting German sayings.
> 
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 9:51 AM Daniel Quintiliani <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> 
> > Good morning in the round,
> >
> >
> > I think it was really sad at the OpenNIC happened.
> >
> >
> > It simply eliminates the democratic elections. These warn earlier
> >
> > not really democratic. For example, Never rules
> >
> > When in force, or how to deal with edge effects.
> >
> >
> > Also, open elections are something that triggers a group dynamic
> >
> > as the result expires, as well as massive pressure on voters
> >
> > , There was no place in a general election process.
> >
> >
> > But I was strangely shocked that the OpenNIC elections are approved
> >
> > which have obvious formal defects. This is already in the
> >
> > Past happens. An example of this is Mr. Quintiliani's choice
> >
> > "Invalidate previous votes" in the electoral period * before * the
> >
> > Announcement began. That's the 7-day rule not met.
> >
> > Such a thing should lead to the immediate demolition.
> >
> >
> > Also, I'm thinking that the members of the OpenNIC are easy
> >
> > prevent people like Mr. Quintiliani "proposal" s in the
> >
> > Quick shot raushaut. Whenever something is missing, there is, without
> >
> > Reflection phase, no request to do so five minutes later ...
> >
> >
> > Stages of reflection and reflection are something that is undisputed
> >
> > We are part of every good conflict resolution.
> >
> >
> > And everything dies after the story with Spamhaus. Do not ask me,
> >
> > Was that got out? But maybe I would be the next one
> >
> > Days write something else.
> >
> >
> > With best regards and hope, OpenNIC can reconsider, in
> >
> > the round,
> >
> > --
> >
> > -Dan Q
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:50:19 +0200, Matthias Merkel <
> > matthias AT boltn-hosting.com> wrote:
> >
> > > It's not. His message did not contain any threads or anything weapon
> > > related.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 9:49 AM Daniel Quintiliani <danq AT runbox.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > And it also mentions a "round" is that like a round of ammo?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > -Dan Q
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 03:35:15 -0400 (EDT), "Daniel Quintiliani" <
> > > > danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Google also says you want to shoot me!
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > -Dan Q
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 03:04:36 -0400 (EDT), "Daniel Quintiliani" <
> > > > danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Why are you threatening to demolish me?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Dan Q
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 06:31:21 +0000, Philipp Schafft <
> > > > lion AT lion.leolix.org> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Guten Morgen in die Runde,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ich finde es echt traurig was gerade bei der OpenNIC passiert.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Man schafft die demokratischen Wahlen einfach ab. Diese wahren
> > früher
> > > > > > > schon nicht wirklich demokratisch. So z.B. gab es nie regeln
> > darüber
> > > > > > > wann Dinge in Kraft treten, oder wie mit Randeffekten um zu 
> > > > > > > gehen
> > > > ist.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Auch sind offene Wahlen etwas das eine Gruppendynamik auslöst,
> > die
> > > > > > > sowohl das Ergebnis verfälscht, als auch massiven Druck auf die
> > > > Wähler
> > > > > > > ausübt. Etwas was in einem allgemeine Wahlvorgang keinen platz
> > hat.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Was mich aber besonders schockiert ist das die OpenNIC Wahlen
> > > > anerkennt
> > > > > > > die offensichtliche formale Fehler aufweisen. Dies ist auch
> > schon in
> > > > der
> > > > > > > Vergangenheit passiert. Ein Beispiel dafür ist Herr Quintilianis
> > Wahl
> > > > > > > "Invalidate previous votes" bei welcher die Wahlperiode *vor* 
> > > > > > > der
> > > > > > > Ankündigung began. Damit ist die 7-Tage Regel nicht eingehalten.
> > > > > > > So etwas sollte zum sofortigen Abbruch führen.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Auch bin ich besorgt darüber, dass die Mitglieder der OpenNIC es
> > > > einfach
> > > > > > > hinnehmen dass Personen wie Herr Quintiliani "Proposal"s im
> > > > > > > Schnellschuss raushaut. Immer wenn ihm etwas missfällt, gibt es,
> > ohne
> > > > > > > phase der Reflektieren, keine fünf Minuten später einen Antrag
> > > > dazu...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Phasen der Besinnung und der Reflektion sind etwas, dass
> > > > unbestrittener
> > > > > > > weise Teil von jeder guten Konfliktlösung sind.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Und dies alles nach der Geschichte mit Spamhaus. Fragt sich den
> > > > keiner,
> > > > > > > was daraus geworden ist? Dazu werde ich aber vielleicht die
> > nächsten
> > > > > > > Tage etwas anderes schreiben.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mit bestem Gruß und der Hoffnung, OpenNIC kann sich erneut
> > besinnen,
> > > > in
> > > > > > > die Runde,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Philipp.
> > > > > > >  (Rah of PH2)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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