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[Peter Green <peter AT greenpete.co.uk>]

Interesting stuff Niels!
I have always been impressed by the power and flexibility of W.P. including 
the security plugins available, as well as forum etc, but I take your points. 
I too will take a look at Plone.

Peter

Wanged from my Kaiser by a mischievous pixie!

Julian De Marchi <julian AT jdcomputers.com.au> wrote:

>On 21/02/12 18:10, Niels Dettenbach wrote:
>> Am Dienstag, 21. Februar 2012, 03:02:47 schrieb Peter Green:
>>> I would add that the enormous power and flexibility of a C.M.S. 
>>> (Wordpress is also my favorite) far out weighs any inherent security 
>>> issues, as that very power and flexibility also helps secure it in the 
>>> way of plugins.
>> 
>> This is i.e. a C.M.S which fullfills the requirements you talk here about:
>> 
>> http://plone.org/
>
>*shudder* zope... I've used it in the past for a commercial application
>on debian potato. Showing some years there.
>
>I'm reading up on plone now, and I do like what I see. I am going to
>setup a sandpit install and see what it can do.
>
>> btw: Security is significant part of that application
>> 
>> Just take a look at and/or log into that website - it widely speaks for 
>> himself...
>
>You are absolutely correct here. From just reading the website you can
>see it always has security in mind.
>
>> Wordpress is far away to be a CMS and not nearly to just be a WCMS.
>
>Perhaps like cloud, CMS is used too useless. But by using the loose term
>CMS it ensures everyone is on the same page.
>
>> btw: My be i'm not shure about the roadmaps of the OpenNIC project, but if 
>> OpenNIC really targets to get a significant respected and used alternative 
>> in 
>> the internet world we have to do things better then the establishement and 
>> even to appear as technical skilled people which do know what they are 
>> doing - 
>> using a kiddie PHP script for our main website which uses every kiddie for 
>> his 
>> doggie website on a low eco hostspace would generate a vice versa impress 
>> to 
>> all of techies i know which think about to rely their ISPs DNS over to 
>> OpenNICs root. Another point is a strong and developed online community 
>> the 
>> project needs to grow up - which is only possible with a scalable and 
>> comfortable to manage portal system. How i.e. Drupal is coming to his 
>> edges 
>> could you see in practice here and in many partly grown Drupal based 
>> communities.
>
>The website has always been our sore point. It suffers from a skill
>shortage. I have the tech know-how to setup the site and maintain the
>kit it runs on, but when it comes to building a site I suck at design
>and the actually running off the site.
>
>The only way this can improve, thus fixing the things you point out is
>by people putting there hand up to help out. We'll save the conversation
>of the webmastering WG for another thread.
>
>> The current status of the website is not really the top as we know and 
>> there 
>> are several hacked together standalone apps with different logins / 
>> authentication realms etc - if you use i.e. wordpress this scenario would 
>> come 
>> again as wp is limited in functionality as scalability.
>
>We all know the website sucks. This _will_ be fixed. :) As for hacked
>together solutions, I'd say not. We have three auth sites. The mailing
>list, the joomla install and the wiki. We are in the process of ensuring
>the mailing list can auth from the wiki. We are also in the process of
>automating the mailing list subscribers, again to be discussed at
>another time.
>
>[...]
>
>> Yes, it may easier to setup something small and still used/known as this 
>> saves 
>> a little bit time during set up - but it will cost much more time to 
>> handle 
>> such a misdecision in the future - except there is no success for the 
>> project...
>
>So for anything to work, we would need;
>
>1 - A designer that can create themes for whatever platform we
>choose(Peter Green?)
>2 - A list of what we _actually_ want the site to do
>
>As for plone, I'll report back once I've played with it. At this point
>it does look very promising. Of course Niels you'll be able to assist if
>needed? What direction would you see a plone install going?
>
>--julian
>