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[Hunter 9999 <mail AT hunter-9999.de>]

.bit and .lib are no OpenNIC TLD.
They are reachable through OpenNIC, because we peer with their systems.
But all OpenNIC domains are free of charge and should remain, as we say on 
our main page.




Am 12. Dezember 2016 11:11:37 MEZ schrieb Simon Castano 
<discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org>:
>Thanks again for your replies.
>
>I understand that charging fees for domain registration isn't against 
>OpenNIC policies per se. This seem also confirmed by the simple fact 
>that one has to pay a fee to register a .bit or .lib domain.
>Nevertheless I understand your considerations and our charter shall 
>ensure that domain (name registration system) is open, fair and 
>censorship resistant. Rest assured Ole, I am not dreaming to become 
>millionaire with this project...
>
>Regarding New Nations: it doesn't suit our need as we will run our own 
>servers.
>
>Regarding peering OpenNIC and Liberland: it is indeed not requiered for
>
>our project (we could run our servers without peering OpenNIC) but I 
>believe that it could be beneficial for both OpenNIC and Liberland to 
>peer.
>
>
>Greetings,
>
>---
>Simon
>
>On 2016-12-10 20:55, vv AT cgs.pw wrote:
>> Excellent points.
>> 
>> To me the whole idea of monetising a community
>> project just does not sound right. Jonah's point
>> that DNS is a separate service is technically
>> correct, but doesn't seem to jibe with social
>> reality. In any case, another project for domain
>> registration is not a bad idea in principle.
>> 
>> That said, I still think that the whole idea
>> of monetising anything regarding OpenDNS and
>> our alternate domains is somewhat childish.
>> Forgive me for putting it that way, but I really
>> can't think of any other way of putting it.
>> There is not going to be a flow of money here.
>> I would point out that a little romp through
>> grep.geek brings up a pitiful amount of actual
>> content. If you don't believe me, just start
>> clicking on links and see how many complete.
>> I realize that there is more to DNS than web
>> content, but when you see that most search
>> content is actually not there, and perhaps
>> never was, then one starts to wonder.
>> 
>> Regards,
>>         Ole
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 11:47:15 +0100
>> Hunter 9999 <mail AT hunter-9999.de> wrote:
>> 
>>> As also said before, we name ourself "OpenNIC" as we we
>>> not only provide DNS access and consuming, but also the
>>> ability to register Domains. This all falls under the
>>> purpose of OpenNIC. Else we could name our self like
>>> OpenDNS (if it would be unused), but we don't. So the
>>> usage of OpenNIC includes not only the consuming of the
>>> DNS data, bit also the registration. And our purpose is
>>> clearly to be at "No Cost (Gratis)" so is clearly also
>>> includes the registration.
>>> 
>>> If you want to monetize registrations do it under another
>>> project, with another name. Maybe we will peer with that
>>> project, but it would be clear, that its another project.
>>> As we also peer with new nations, that also has other
>>> policies to register domains.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Am 9. Dezember 2016 21:09:03 MEZ schrieb Jonah Aragon
>>> <jonaharagon AT gmail.com>:
>>> >I think we've all established the homepage needs
>>> >updating.... That being
>>> >said you're definitely right, you can't charge for
>>> >access to public T2 servers, and not for any listed on
>>> >the official servers page.
>>> >
>>> >At a technical level you COULD charge for DNS access,
>>> >but you wouldn't be
>>> >listed on the servers page and the practice would be
>>> >frowned upon.
>>> >
>>> >I think we're taking this in a whole different direction
>>> >though, nobody wants to charge for DNS access, only for
>>> >domain names on the network. Completely different.
>>> >
>>> >Jonah
>>> >
>>> >On Dec 9, 2016 1:58 PM, "Maiyannah Bishop"
>>> ><maiyannah.bishop AT postactiv.com>
>>> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> On 2016-12-09 06:23, Amunak wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Noone is forcing you to provide a T2 server. And I
>>> >> think noone even
>>> >says
>>> >> it has to be free (correct me if I'm wrong, it's been
>>> >> a while since I
>>> >read
>>> >> the OpenNIC guideliness). I believe that if you want
>>> >> to provide a
>>> >paid T2
>>> >> server (with some kind of whitelisting for paying
>>> >> users) nothing is stopping you. And by the nature of
>>> >> DNS noone even really *can* stop
>>> >you.
>>> >> At worst you would not be allowed to be listed among
>>> >> the "official"
>>> >OpenNIC
>>> >> T2 servers. But that doesn't prevent you from
>>> >> providing such a
>>> >service. And
>>> >> to be fair I think that it's totally fair to charge
>>> >> for such service
>>> >- you
>>> >> may have a hard time getting customers (users),
>>> >> especially if you
>>> >didn't
>>> >> offer anything extra, but if you were reliable and had
>>> >> perhaps some
>>> >extra
>>> >> services it may be interesting.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Am I the only one that's read the home page recently?
>>> >>
>>> >> "No Cost (Gratis)
>>> >>
>>> >> OpenNIC is a non profit organisation and does not
>>> >> charge money for
>>> >access
>>> >> to it’s DNS services including the proposal/request of
>>> >> new TLDs. It’s
>>> >free
>>> >> to use and the servers are run by volunteers, so
>>> >> there’s no financial pressure to corrupt the OpenNIC
>>> >> system. You too could be one of the volunteers!
>>> >>
>>> >> -mb
>>> >>
>> 
>> 
>> 
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