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[Rouben <rouben AT rouben.net>]

I tend to agree with Jonah, and do think that trying to spell out some of the common sense stuff is helpful. Even if it’s not in the form of a policy/codex, but just so that relative newcomers to OpenNIC such as myself aren’t confused, lost or discouraged (registered years ago, mainly as a user of OpenNIC DNS servers, became more involved as T2 operator just last year).

It’s like commenting one’s code in a meaningful way. The code makes sense to the original author, or another experienced coder, but to anyone else it’s not as clear...

New TLD proposal expectations are a recent example I can think of... hopefully these are now better articulated in the wiki.

Rouben

On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 01:47 Jonah Aragon <jonah AT triplebit.net> wrote:

Suppose I can’t disagree with you there. In my opinion, OpenNIC seems to operate on a basis of “common sense” where there’s no real policies, but every member has certain expectations people need to meet to even be considered. Too many reasonable proposals fail on technicalities or because they don’t meet some invisible standard, which is having a noticeable impact on our progress. 

I’m mostly fine with our existing policies, which is why I generally don’t deal with them. I’m guessing the reason my proposals seem extraordinarily large or overreaching is because lately I’ve been trying to codify these community “expectations,” in a sense, creating policies where none officially existed before. But in reality I think most of the policies I’ve passed were in effect already, at least in an unofficial sense. Except before, people would simply vote “no” with no explanation, without being able to point to an expectation they had. 

My hope is that the proposals I’ve passed and I’m planning for the future will prevent some of these issues, especially with newer members. Time will tell if this is a worthwhile cause. 

Happy New Year,

Jonah

On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 12:29 AM Daniel Quintiliani <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:

It seems your proposals are always about the organization and changing how discussions should progress, how votes should be counted, etc. Not that I don't agree with some of the stuff you've said, and have voted with you on some of them, but it always seems that you're trying to do major overhauls of OpenNIC, rather than work within it.

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On Mon, 01 Jan 2018 05:30:55 +0000, Jonah Aragon <jonah AT triplebit.net> wrote:

> Not sure what this is in reference to.
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> Jonah
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> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 10:39 PM Daniel Quintiliani <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
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> > Once again Jonah wants to count the votes...
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> > On Mon, 01 Jan 2018 01:43:14 +0000, Jonah Aragon <jonah AT triplebit.net>
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