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[Philipp Schafft <lion AT lion.leolix.org>]

Good afternoon,

On Wed, 2018-08-08 at 10:00 -0400, Verax wrote:
> This is wildly incorrect.  There is nothing about democracy that 
> "inherently requires" invalid votes.

You are wrong here.

Invalid votes are the only way to demonstrate your will when none of the
option is valid for you.


> We are also not a massive country where one voice is not going to be 
> heard.  If you have a problem with something, maybe you should say 
> something,

Maybe you check the mailing list archive and IRC. I think I spoke up and
explained the situation very often.



> rather than stuffing garbage into the vote threads,

Calling votes "garbage" is exactly how a democratic society should work.
Nice to see how much you value member's opinion.


> which we already have a hard enough time keeping on topic.

I hardly see how "My Vote is: [option]." is a problem for keeping
on-topic in a voting thread.

If you think that actually casting a vote is a problem, why not skip the
process completely? Who needs all those off-topic votes in a process of
finding a democratic solution for a given problem?


With best regards and in deepest worries,

> --Verax
> 
> Philipp Schafft wrote:
> > Good morning.
> > 
> > On Tue, 2018-08-07 at 20:50 -0400, Verax wrote:
> >> These people troll in every vote thread, they'll just make stupid votes
> >> in english.
> > 
> > It's really a sad to see people considering political protest
> > "troll"ing.
> > 
> > 
> >> A better solution IMO is to move the voting to somewhere where free-form
> >> votes are not allowed.
> > 
> > As long as that system IS one that is up to democratic standards that's
> > fine. Democratic voting inherently requires to cast an invalid vote.
> > 
> > With best regards,
> > 
> > 
> >> --Verax
> >>
> >> Rouben wrote:
> >>> I think “potato salad” qualifies as a spoiled ballot. :)
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 16:13 Daniel Quintiliani <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> One of them asked if the word was Austrian or German. Google Translate
> >>>> does not offer an option for Austrian, and one of the votes was German 
> >>>> for
> >>>> "potato salad"
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> -Dan Q
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 18:55:18 +0000, gp AT gparent.net wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Regardless if the people voting in other languages were being silly or
> >>>>> not, I think it would be a good idea.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 2018-08-07 18:50, Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A number of individuals are voting on proposals in other languages
> >>>>>> (Austrian? German?). Not everyone can speak these languages, and I've
> >>>>>> never seen languages other than English spoken on the list. I don't
> >>>>>> know how to process these votes, though I'm hoping someone else can
> >>>>>> before time runs out (or until someone translates them for Jonah and
> >>>>>> I). But in the future, unless the demographics in this shift into
> >>>>>> speakers of another language, who can reverse saide policy, we should
> >>>>>> require voting in English, with votes in other languages considered
> >>>>>> invalid.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What do you think?


-- 
Philipp.
 (Rah of PH2)