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["John Kozlowski \(ShofarDomain.com\)" <John.Kozlowski AT ShofarDomain.com>]

I would like to weigh in one more time with the hope of clarifying the 
question, not necessarily resolving it.

First as someone born in the United States, I am a patriot in the sense of 
love for my fellow countryman.  I am not in the sense of a love for my 
country’s institutions.  You can read 
http://distinctivist.com/Article-2014-12-04 to make that clear.  Therefore if 
incorporation happens, to the idea of incorporating outside of the United 
States I stand in hearty agreement.  As to where, I have no idea.

However, is OpenNIC collectivistic or individualistic?  We must be clear that 
democracy is as collectivistic as socialism.  As Franklin amusingly put it, 
democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what’s for lunch.  I’m afraid 
that a formal or legal organizational structure for OpenNIC may, over time, 
turn it into another wolf with ICANN.  It may become a tool to show how the 
Internet is “open” because ICANN is not a monopoly, but ignoring the fact 
that a duopoly is as bad or worse.

The problem with being individualistic is that it is easy to point to corrupt 
individuals or failures by individuals.  It is this second group that I am a 
member, but I am not a member of the group that quits after failures.  I 
would rather be part of the critically thinking individualists, with our 
distortions, failures, and the foul among us, than a resource laden 
collectivist where I must stay in line to be a part.

For the most part OpenNIC is made up of those with more of a technical 
background.  If those are the only ones reached, OpenNIC will always remain 
an obscurity.  I propose that individuals that are part of OpenNIC, or have a 
similar mindset, invent the tools to shed the masses from the centralized 
ICANN system, not try to be another ICANN or another organization.

For my part I desire to product a resolver that works with OpenNIC, ICANN, 
INAIC, Name.Space, Unifiedroot, etc. and is not dependent on a single root.  
I had a rootless resolver and have withdrawn it as it is being updated, but 
it should reappear.  This is my attempt at a technical response to a 
political issue.  I do not need to be the only one doing so and I welcome 
others to do the same or similar.  We don’t need just one way to do things.

To me the fundamental question is if OpenNIC is a great place to hammer out 
ideas in the particular area of domains, and made up of people who want to 
remove the centralized control of ICANN which gives the authority excessive 
power over the whole Internet, or is it just a fledgling group trying to be 
like the big kid on the block?

My opinion is that we should think, contend, examine, and play hard in the 
field of domains as individuals.  OpenNIC should be a place to communicate 
and not a formal legal entity.  This is my opinion as an individual.

Respectfully,

John Kozlowski


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From: discuss-request AT lists.opennicproject.org 
[mailto:discuss-request AT lists.opennicproject.org] On Behalf Of David
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 12:29 PM
To: discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org
Subject: Re: [opennic-discuss] Proposal: Establishment of an OpenNIC 
foundation using OpenNIC funds

I agree with England, Sweden, Switzerland and the USA.

 Unless you want to mix your political reasoning and hate that is your 
prerogative and not the rest of the community of OpenNic.
 We are debating establishment!
 We are debating status!
NON-PROFIT or incorporating!
No need to mix your political disagreement to influence others.
Is about OpenNic, nothing more.
and Don't tread on my flag MR.!

On 12/27/2014 7:02 AM, Richard Lyons wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 09:57:54 +1100, Riley Baird wrote:
> 
>>> The idea of the famously-neutral Sweden being the registered home of 
>>> the incorporated part of Opennic seemed at first glance to be good.  
>>> But then I remembered the case of Julian Assange and the evident 
>>> fact that Sweden is very much under the orders of the US political 
>>> establishment.
>>> Is there anyone on this list who can help in setting up the 
>>> co-operative (or other incorporated entity) under a more obviously 
>>> neutral regime?
>>> This might be on the fringes of Europe, maybe Switzerland or 
>>> Lichtenstein, but perhaps better would be either a Latin American 
>>> base, or a place with an image more easily associated with 
>>> independence such as a pacific island.  Niué for example (it needs a 
>>> boost)...
>>
>> Niue is not a country, it is still under New Zealand rule (in name). 
>> Be careful about incorporating in a Pacific nation if you're 
>> concerned about US influence:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_of_Free_Association
> 
> Yes.  You are quite right, Riley.
> 
> I should have left that paragraph out.  Exactly where to incorporate 
> is a secondary issue.
> 
> richard
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